just stop all benefits.

borkid

**sparkles** wrote: »

i wasnt generalising

i said benefits should be paid on a cash card to stop it being spent on fags booze and drugs. as u dont spend urs on this then that wouldnt be a problem for you

i know fine well not everyone wastes the money, but many people do and their children suffer because of it

i dont see why anyone would be against this idea unless they were one of these selfish people

as for the assessments, no i havent sat in on one. however i know of many people who have never worked and claim disability yet sit all day in the pub, play football at the weekends and otherwise lead a normal life - paid for by the working population

Where would you be able to use the card then? If you buy fruit and veg from market stalls or farm shops it is much cheaper than the supermarkets but I can't imagine them accepting cash cards. What about online line shopping again often cheaper than high street shops and a lot of disabled/ill people are not able to shop in the high street easily. This just isn't workable.

RJP33

barbiedoll wrote: »

This is the interesting figure. It's the amount that taxpayers spend on topping-up the wages of the low-paid, people who work for organisations such as Vodaphone, RBS, Top Shop, Tesco etc etc. The taxpayers are subsidising these companies (amongst others) most of whom manage very effectively to [STRIKE]dodge[/STRIKE] minimise the amount of tax that they pay to the British Government. So we're paying their staff wage costs AND their tax bill.

This is who we should be targeting!

Might just be me but I don't think the government should have any part in subsidising private sector pay. Use tax cuts for lower income earners instead.

mazza111

The_White_Horse wrote: »

so why did he commit suicide? because his benefits were cut or because he was clinically depressed?

I have a friend who had clinical depression and they worked. occasionally they may have had a week or two off when it got really bad, but for the majority of the time, they worked.

I also know a black cab driver with clinical depression. He also works full time.

This old chestnut again. So you know someone who could work with clinical depression. Does that mean everyone can? Remember every illness affects everyone differently, as does the medications they are on. You ever thought the stress of being in the situation that ATOS and the government put him through added to his stress/depression levels?

PaulF81 wrote: »

That's the price you should have to pay being on benefits. Since when do scummers shop at farm shops anyhow? Pizza, chips and ketchup petty much covers it surely?

So now people on benefits are scummers? Such a charming insight. I really wish some of your ignorance could be addressed.

Yes it's hard for people on benefits to shop better. My dd fell into this trap when she was getting £56/week ESA and living on her own. She'd try to eat cheaply so she could afford whatever item of clothing she was needing. As it turned out, she was struggling in the kitchen and felt too ashamed to let me know. Her wrists were dislocating as she was cooking. I've now taken over cooking her evening meal, she still manages to make her breakfast (usually a bowl of cereal) and make a sandwich for lunch. I'm afraid to say, it's attitudes like you see in this forum that stops disabled people asking for help because they feel the shame that they can't do for their self. Is she a scummer? No bleeding way!! She's a young disabled lass who's trying very very hard to stay out of a wheelchair, but too ashamed to admit she's got problems because of attitudes like this.

I've struggled for the past 6 months to get her to use a mobility scooter when she's out shopping, why? Because of people's attitudes towards her. Now she wears a hoody, so she can pull the hood up so no one recognises her.

She's been told exercise in water will help her, not swimming though, she's not allowed to swim, unfortunately none of the local pools have gradual steps, and she won't use the hoist, again, for fear of embarrassment from people with this attitude. So yet again, she's missing out because of people's attitude and her perception of people's attitudes. Instead she's stuck indoors doing her physio that way.


Attitudes to the sick and disabled in this country really astound me. To be calling them scummers is diabolical. I know I would rather be in the company of many sick and disabled people than someone who has the gall to call them scummers!

PaulF81

I was talking about the workshy. And there are many more claiming dla than actually are entitled to it. Hence why the government are re assessing their entitlement. Those people, together with families with 3 kids plus on the take, kids born purely for supplemental benefits and those on long term unemployment benefit are scummers in my eyes.

Lovelyjoolz

somethingcorporate wrote: »

No-one should be better off on benefits. They are a safety net, not an inducement to breed / stay off work! They should be there to provide literally the bare minimum (ideally in vouchers so they cannot waste the money on iphones and ciggies).

That's the best idea here. I think most people who get brassed off by the Professional Claimants do so because they believe that the benefit payoff is being taken straight down to Currys and spent on a 50" LCD TV.

It benefits were dished out in the form of food/utility vouchers, perhaps there might be less cause for resentment. No idea how that would even be possible to manage though.

Lovelyjoolz

barbiedoll wrote: »

This is the interesting figure. It's the amount that taxpayers spend on topping-up the wages of the low-paid, people who work for organisations such as Vodaphone, RBS, Top Shop, Tesco etc etc. The taxpayers are subsidising these companies (amongst others) most of whom manage very effectively to [STRIKE]dodge[/STRIKE] minimise the amount of tax that they pay to the British Government. So we're paying their staff wage costs AND their tax bill.


This is who we should be targeting!

I think this is why the minimum wage should be scrapped. It just encourages companies to pay the least they can get away with, with no regard to staff welfare. Without the minimum wage companies had to use the wage as an incentive and a way of attracting and retaining decent staff. Now it just means people stay in their job as there's no incentive to move because the pay will be the same elsewhere and companies don't have to work at keeping their staff.

ukcarper

Lovelyjoolz wrote: »

I think this is why the minimum wage should be scrapped. It just encourages companies to pay the least they can get away with, with no regard to staff welfare. Without the minimum wage companies had to use the wage as an incentive and a way of attracting and retaining decent staff. Now it just means people stay in their job as there's no incentive to move because the pay will be the same elsewhere and companies don't have to work at keeping their staff.

There is nothing stopping companies offering more than the minimum wage now if you removed minimum wage all that would happen is that wages would go down.

Catden_2

Catden wrote: »

I have never been able to get life insurance, do you think I would be covered for Critical illness cover etc.?

Sorry to quote myself folks, but I didn't receive a reply. I was born with my illness & have tried many times to get any sort of life or health insurance unsuccessfully.

concerned43

most people here playing straight into the Tories hands - divide and rule strategy game playing.
Lets create a smokescreen using the most vulnerable in society (as they don't have a voice) and won't vote for us anyway and stir up enough hatred towards them that detracts people from demanding that we bring the bankers/fund managers/rich tax evaders/big company tax evaders to account i.e. our friends/family and future employers of ours!

PaulF81

concerned43 wrote: »

most people here playing straight into the Tories hands - divide and rule strategy game playing.
Lets create a smokescreen using the most vulnerable in society (as they don't have a voice) and won't vote for us anyway and stir up enough hatred towards them that detracts people from demanding that we bring the bankers/fund managers/rich tax evaders/big company tax evaders to account i.e. our friends/family and future employers of ours!

"Divide and rule" nonsense. They do have a voice, who thinks pays for their votes at the election? Labour would never get into power if higher rate tax payers had two votes.