just stop all benefits.

flexrider

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the simply truth is benefits are way too high. people on benefits should not be able to afford nice clothes, holidays, run cars, have sky, broadband, cigarettes etc.

they should have the most BASIC essentials to live on. and no more. it is a SAFETY net and no more.

The end.

The thing is were all dole scroungers because of this

If you work u can get tax credits if you get paid minimum wages which these days also include some form of payment of housing benefit

you pay for roads to be fixed council taxes morguages for houses you never own until you pay back to your provider or clear your loan provided by the bank which is now government money with some banks because of the bank crisis your car you drive you pay the government fuel duty and motorway tolls

And then you look at disabled people and think that 7,300 quid a year in benefits 63quid a week low rate is too much yet 63 quid a week cant even pay for a night at pizza hut with family or a shop at aldi

So fed up of disabled people being blamed for the errors of forty years of bad government decisions this country is owned by banks, the cars you drive to the house you live in soon private companies will own your health and your rights for new workers by having no rights at all for ten per cent of a company share

Workfare by the tories puts people out of work for free workers

So ask yourself who a benefit scounger the whole media the government have divided and conqueror method to a tee

And im a employer but I feel so sorry for the next generation growing up with so much stereotyped culture some people dont use it for a excuse I have a guy in my company great guy suffers with type one diabetes and cancer yet works 3 days a week for me some illnesses you cannot see physical but he has told me the hatred before he was hired young kids spat at him calling him a scrounger yet did not know his illness or how it effects him before we hired him for a web project role


:mad::mad::mad: so annoying this goverment and press and some peoples attitude remember this government is no saint

Ian Duncan smith:tax expensives 128k on mortgage payment us taxpayers paid claimed in government

Lays off companies for workfare (people to work free)

David camrom : 80billion to pakistan and india, 12k per bottle of plonk pre electrical party to doners....paid by ur taxes

George ozbourne::mad: lets off vodafone tax bill.....10% tax allowances to rich folk......the list goes on


Sorry but when you been on the bones of your backside on that side of life living off state benefits before I started my company I know the real British sink or swim like now 1 million kids out of work in two years only one million jobs created out of a population of 60billion globally in the uk


Sorry for long post but it $&&% me off picking on the unfortunate

RJP33

Forever wrote: »

And btw, here are the rates for benefits if you are unemployed. And note that they are not alot!

Under 25 £56.25
Over 25 £71.00
Couples, civil partnerships £111.45

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_200090.html

You must think that these people can grow money on trees if you think they can buy all the things that you seem to think they can.

Those figures are JSA and missing housing benefit and child taxt credit.

I used to work for the tax credits office and cases involving people getting over £500.00 a week in total benefits weren't uncommon, not including housing benefit.

Forever

RJP33 wrote: »

Those figures are JSA and missing housing benefit and child taxt credit.

I used to work for the tax credits office and cases involving people getting over £500.00 a week in total benefits weren't uncommon, not including housing benefit.

Yes, it does not include housing benefit & council tax but 71 pounds a week for a single person still needs to pay for food, electricity and gas bills, transportation, TV licence, clothes, shoes etc. It is still not a huge amount.

As for those who also have a lot of children ie. 5 so they receive a lot of money, the Tories are now curbing this payment to only 2 children. I do personally welcome this change.

But still no mention of the billions the government spends on foreign aid. And once its gone, its gone as it is not even spent in the UK economy.

GeorgeHowell

It's not those who have worked, want to work, and are actively seeking work that most people would complain about. That's what the safety net is for. The problem is those who have seldom or never worked, don't want to work, don't seek work, have probably become or always been unemployable, and have a sense of entitlement that the world nevertheless owes them a living and a comfortable life style and as many children as they want.

Does anyone want to either pretend that such individuals don't exist, or that the situation should be allowed to continue without anything being done about it in the short term ?

nicknameless

My partner's best friend's brother committed suicide 3 months ago following a re-assessment of his benefits. His clinical depression no longer made him unfit to work apparently.

4 months later he was found dead in a car in a field with a bag over his head and a note apologising for the stress caused to family and friends.

Not a cost to the state anymore.

Forever

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

It's not those who have worked, want to work, and are actively seeking work that most people would complain about. That's what the safety net is for. The problem is those who have seldom or never worked, don't want to work, don't seek work, have probably become or always been unemployable, and have a sense of entitlement that the world nevertheless owes them a living and a comfortable life style and as many children as they want.

Does anyone want to either pretend that such individuals don't exist, or that the situation should be allowed to continue without anything being done about it in the short term ?

There is a tiny percentage of people like this but everyone else gets a bad name because of it.

If people keep grassing people up who are committing fraud (and I understand the majority of people do), then we should get less and less people doing this.

If you look at the breakdown of benefits, the group claiming unemployment benefit is actually tiny anyway.

The largest groups claiming benefits are actually pensioners and people on low incomes who cannot afford to live with the current minimum wage and high housing costs.

- Total benefits for families with children 18.11%
- Total benefits for unemployed people 2.58%
- Total benefits for people on low incomes 22.08%
- Total benefits for elderly people 41.64%
- Total benefits for sick and disabled people 15.17%
- Total benefits for bereaved people 0.36%

http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn13.pdf

And still no mention of the billions we loose through foreign aid...

RJP33

Forever wrote: »

Yes, it does not include housing benefit & council tax but 71 pounds a week for a single person still needs to pay for food, electricity and gas bills, transportation, TV licence, clothes, shoes etc. It is still not a huge amount.

But still no mention of the billions the government spends on foreign aid. And once its gone, its gone as it is not even spent in the UK economy.

It's not meant to be a huge amount though, only a short term safety net. If it's comfortable, it's too much.

Agree with you about foreign aid, particularly to a country like India who have the resources to look after themselves now.

PaulF81

Foreign aid creates more income in terms of trade than it costs. It's the grease to oil the wheels, how pretty much every non western nation works I am afraid.

The_White_Horse

nicknameless wrote: »

My partner's best friend's brother committed suicide 3 months ago following a re-assessment of his benefits. His clinical depression no longer made him unfit to work apparently.

4 months later he was found dead in a car in a field with a bag over his head and a note apologising for the stress caused to family and friends.

Not a cost to the state anymore.

so why did he commit suicide? because his benefits were cut or because he was clinically depressed?

I have a friend who had clinical depression and they worked. occasionally they may have had a week or two off when it got really bad, but for the majority of the time, they worked.

I also know a black cab driver with clinical depression. He also works full time.

POPPYOSCAR

PaulF81 wrote: »

Foreign aid creates more income in terms of trade than it costs. It's the grease to oil the wheels, how pretty much every non western nation works I am afraid.

But I understood India said they did not need it and did not want it?