MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

clemmatis

PaulF81 wrote: »

There aren't enough jobs that people want. There are plenty of jobs, it's just that indigenous lazy Brits expect care homes and farmers fields to be staffed by immigrants.

Don't work hard at school? Expect to wipe 90 year old backsides and pick carrots for a living. Suck it up. The free ride is over.

And they say education hasn't been dumbed down...

You just quoted my agreement that there are some jobs many British people don't want to do,together with my

There are far far fewer jobs than there are JSA claimants, and so, far far far fewer jobs than there are work-less.

and

if each and every job vacancy were filled, there would still be many people who were unemployed,

and yet you peddle this crap.

Forgive me for copying from my posts again

clemmatis wrote: »

1. There are job vacancies, around 400,000 (official figures -- some posters here dispute that, because not all vacancies are notified to job centres), they include temporary jobs, part-time jobs (some, temporary), seasonal jobs, and specialist, highly skilled jobs (official figures).

2. There are unemployed people; of those, there are active job seekers who can start a job immediately. There are 2.68 million such job seekers (official figures).

3. But there are massive local and regional variations, so in some places, there are 35 seekers per job, in others, 1-2.

(Please note that of 34 of the 35 got on their bikes to look for jobs where there were only 1-2 seekers per job, there would still be not enough jobs.)

PaulF81

I live near Hereford. Every summer, we have hundreds of immigrants flocking to the local area to help with the harvest. Where are the British workers?

vpeake

maybe the solution would be to retain benefits but have those job seeking prove that they are applying to jobs. I.e. by showing job applications, interviews attended etc instead of the silly journal/diary they just have to write in?

p00hsticks

Why d othe MSE teams keep breaking their own rules and posting this sort of thing on here- can't we take this over to discussion time and leave this board for what it's intended to be ?

From their own sticky;

Its about helping people get their entitlement! Not about benefits policy!

This board is here for help and support for those on or looking to claim benefits, not for judgement.

It’s ONLY focus is helping people with their money.

It's here to help people find out what they are entitled to under the current system, and to help them get it.

Benefits provide a lifeline for many, and this site is here to help people with their money, and not to judge. Of course, how to illegally defraud the benefits system shouldn't be discussed here, but ensuring you're getting your entitlement is exactly what it’s about.

We all know the benefits system is a mess – but that’s for the discussion time.

PaulF81

Food and clothes vouchers only. Too much benefit goes on sky subscriptions, ciggys and special brew.

vpeake

PaulF81 wrote: »

Food and clothes vouchers only. Too much benefit goes on sky subscriptions, ciggys and special brew.

whilst i agree that too much money gets spent on unecessary items, i think food and clothes vouchers is a bit extreme.

What next, ringing a bell shouting peasant before they walk out into the street?

paddedjohn

Just because there aren't any jobs does not mean that this isn't a good idea, if you are under 25 and can't get a job to afford your own place then stay at home untill you can. It costs around £34 million per week to pay for housing for the under 25's which means a big saving each year for the taxpayers. Too many people in this country are of the ilk that benefits are their god given right but it's time they woke up to reality, benefits are there as a safety net for the needy and this is being sorted out gradually but surely.

I might be in the minority here but I would also like to see young peolpe with kids of their own and disabled people staying at home with their families until 25 aswell unless they have the means to support themselves.



One way of creating jobs is to lower the pension age, not increase it, this woul free up thousands of jobs for the youth.

Murphymycat

PaulF81 wrote: »

Food and clothes vouchers only. Too much benefit goes on sky subscriptions, ciggys and special brew.

How are people expected to get to the shops to make use of these vouchers? When I last looked local buses didn't offer free transport for the unemployed. Not everyone either lives close to the shops or is physically capable of walking long distances.

PaulF81

topaziem wrote: »

It may surprise you to learn that the 'pensioners' HAVE contributed in their working lives to others who claimed benefits. Are you suggesting that those that have contributed maybe for 40 odd years should not now expect to be compensated by way of a sensible pension?

Because if you do, I presume you would be very happy in years to come after you have paid tax and national insurance for say 49 years (16 - 65) that the government tell you that there is no money left in the pot to pay for your retirement? "Surely you have also made private provision for a pension as well as pay your dues to the government?" "If not well that is your fault isn't it?"

Taking into account how long the NHS has OAPs living now, they didn't pay enough into the system.

PaulF81

Murphymycat wrote: »

How are people expected to get to the shops to make use of these vouchers? When I last looked local buses didn't offer free transport for the unemployed. Not everyone either lives close to the shops or is physically capable of walking long distances.

Tesco home delivery? 4 quid less per shop though so you better get budgeting.

All you hear from the benefits lot is problems instead of them thinking of solutions for themselves. Those non claimants have to cope, why don't you try and join the party? Sheesh.