MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

jobdone1

Morlock wrote: »

I agree, how dare people think they are ENTITLED to somewhere affordable to live.

Not sure if i read this wrong. AFFORDABLE my qoute is free money for both parents not working. So your missing the point.

kimbyanne

I agree with cutting benefits after two children, after that if you want more children then you pay for them. If I am being harsh, I don’t really see why the Government should pay for any child – you choose to have a child then you should be able to afford them. If you can’t, you shouldn’t be having children until you can.

For me, this is a prickly subject – my boyfriend and I are at the age where we would like to buy a house, get married and have children – however we cannot afford to. We could afford to get married if we did it “low key” which I suspect is what we will have to do, I don’t really see the point in wasting thousands on a wedding – but that is another topic.

I get really frustrated when I see all these families who have been handed everything on a plate. They get a nice two/three bedroom house all paid for by the HA or Council. They all seem to have nice cars and go on holiday a couple of times a year. They don’t seem to want for anything – it is like they are being rewarded for being irresponsible and having children at a young age and expecting the Government to pay for them.

The benefit system should be there for those who need it – people who lose their jobs through redundancy, etc people who are too ill to work, not those who are too bone idle and lazy to get a job. Being “on benefits” has just become a way of life, a choice. The ones who have never worked should not be able to claim benefits because they have never “put in” to receive them. The issue is, these people are raising the next generation who think it is normal for people not to work.

jobdone1

Glen_Clark wrote: »

Maybe they could if there were enough real jobs
But THERE AREN'T ENOUGH JOBS

I don't agree there are jobs but they are not the jobs that people feel they should do, how dare i be asked to be a cleaner o no i want to do what i want to do attitude.

A job is a job. The attitude of i aint getting out of bed at 5am for that money i will stay on benifits i'm better off is wrong.

annie1975_2

To a certain point yes you should only have children if you can afford them,but the problem is there is a lot of people working hard out there for minimum wage,and without the help of Tax credits would not be able to survive.They might already have their children and then have to take a lower paid job,to which they should get help.
But I am all for benefits being stopped for people who keep having children when they are not working..That said its not the kids fault,they didnt ask to be brought into the world.

premierfella

The logic of the proposals the Conservatives are now putting forward to cut welfare spending looks great on paper and plays well to the right wing.

The problems come when policies like this are put into practice. Either intentionally or unintentionally, there almost always ends up being a group who are genuinely in need of assistance and who the welfare safety net fails to capture - this group then ends up on the streets, criminalised or (if they are very fortunate) assisted by charities.

We've already seen with the implementation of the rules on assessments for disability benefits that the balance between minimising the number of genuinely in need vs cutting welfare benefits usually weighs far to heavily towards the latter.

Morlock

jobdone1 wrote: »

I don't agree there are jobs but they are not the jobs that people feel they should do, how dare i be asked to be a cleaner o no i want to do what i want to do attitude.

A job is a job. The attitude of i aint getting out of bed at 5am for that money i will stay on benifits i'm better off is wrong.

The ideas is that Great Britain will become a sweatshop economy and be able to compete against workers in countries such as China. Benefit cuts will speed this process up, with so many people becoming desperate to work at any cost just to eat, wages will decrease overall, and the standard of living will plummet in the UK.

All those advocating benefits cuts are advocating a lower standard of living across the country. Cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Mara69

This will, as usual, become a debate of two halves. There will be those who are in receipt of benefit that are already feeling the pinch. They think that all these changes are unfair. They will hold the banner of disability like it is a magic staff and will claim that we should all be looking to MPs, high earners and the bankers to save a few quid. Never mind that the genuinely disabled and those in genuine need will still have their basic needs met. These people will always have a story of Uncle Norman who died a week after ATOS declared him fit for work. There are few stories of those who do not even have to attend an ATOS ‘medical’ and those who sail through the process with their benefits intact.

Then there are those that believe that an overhaul of the benefit system is long overdue. These are generally people that work or have worked and are now retired and are already feeling the pinch. They think these changes are fair and indeed, in some cases, do not go far enough. They have watched other people living in cheap social housing, paid for by the tax payer and they have watched them claim that it is their ‘right’ to be a stay at home parent – because they are being paid handsomely by the tax payer to do so. Let us not forget that are those that will claim, loudly, that there are NO JOBS! Never mind that there are jobs. Granted harder to get, but out there nonetheless.

There are those that abuse the tax credits system, working the minimum hours in a vague ‘self employed’ job in order to maximise tax credits. There are those that have been on disability benefits for many years, claiming for ailments that are not truly life threatening even so bad that the recipient cannot carry out some form of work. Just that they have had those benefits for so long that they truly believe they are too disabled to work.

Then there are those that work and claim benefits illegally, those that claim to be single but are actually living with their children’s father. Then there are those that ‘accidentally’ get pregnant just as their benefits for their current children are about to be changed.

Ultimately, the benefits system should be a safety net. A way of preventing a family from homelessness and starvation in the short term. A family should, in the first instance, look to support themselves. People should be looking for any job that pays a wage. People should be thinking twice before having another child, or moving to a property that is bigger than the one they need. People should be getting rid of the expensive mobile phones and Sky TV packages.

Benefits should never have become a lifestyle choice or a right and it is time to stop this mentality and put responsibility back into the claimant’s hands.

saverbuyer

That's great, remove HB for under 25s altogether and make under 35s share a house to save a few hundred million. How about we address the £100 BILLION of pension benefits we pay out every year.

The sooner the younger generation wake up and realise they are getting screwed over the better.

jobdone1

Morlock wrote: »

The ideas is that Great Britain will become a sweatshop economy and be able to compete against workers in countries such as China. Benefit cuts will speed this process up, with so many people becoming desperate to work at any cost just to eat, wages will decrease overall, and the standard of living will plummet in the UK.

All those advocating benefits cuts are advocating a lower standard of living across the country. Cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Are you for real, We have a min wage and soon universal credit to top up your income so you have a liveable wage.

If you can't afford to feed your kids then ged rid of the sky get rid of the mobile contract get rid of the broadband move somewhere more affordable. GET REAL

Morlock

jobdone1 wrote: »

Are you for real, We have a min wage and soon universal credit to top up your income so you have a liveable wage.

So it is right that the government subsidises companies who are making hundreds of millions or billions per year in profit because wages are so low they need to be topped up with benefits, but tough if someone is made redundant and can't find employment?

And where is this £10bn cut going to come from? Universal credits will be slowly eroded, the Tories are dismantling the benefits system brick by brick, and all of the ignorant masses agree because their neighbour has a nicer car and goes on holiday more. The politics of envy.

If you can't afford to feed your kids then ged rid of the sky get rid of the mobile contract get rid of the broadband move somewhere more affordable. GET REAL

Go read the Daily Mail. "Get real", pathetic.