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Ellejmorgan

princessdon wrote: »

I know you are genuine (even if I didn't believe your disability - and I do think you have mobility needs), you are entitled as a parent of a child under 5. And that is one rule I fully support, so I don't "bash" you.

However, you said - "Give me a positive of what I can do" then stated you wish to perhaps work as a counsellor, I ask if you have thought about training and I am "bashing you"?

What if you didn't know about the OU, what if you didn't know there was free childcare and free courses ran during school hours?

In short you suggested something you'd like to do when better, I gave an honest and helpful answer (ie start studying now at your own pace and around your childcare/disabilities and I get accused of bashing?

Given the childcare grants - it would have also solved your need for support in this area as they could have funded the nursery for LO to attend.

You know, sometimes I wonder why I bother

I don't understand, you wasn't doing the bashing, and I don't recall saying you were..

The others have been harping on about do this do that, so I said 'ok tell me what job I can do' no one can ever give a sensible answer..

yes I wish to be a counsellor, but at this time I'm coping with a lot of stuff that if I'm not careful i'll end up losing the kids again, it will cost the state a lot more than me being on benefits by a significant amount..
(The legal fees last time were 100k paid by the state)

You suggested the OU, I said I already had a knowledge of it, but it wasn't the right time..
I can't do it, i'm sick of justifying myself now, I've stated many times i'm struggling with the kids..

princessdon

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

I don't understand, you wasn't doing the bashing, and I don't recall saying you were..

The others have been harping on about do this do that, so I said 'ok tell me what job I can do' no one can ever give a sensible answer..

yes I wish to be a counsellor, but at this time I'm coping with a lot of stuff that if I'm not careful i'll end up losing the kids again, it will cost the state a lot more than me being on benefits by a significant amount..
(The legal fees last time were 100k paid by the state)

You suggested the OU, I said I already had a knowledge of it, but it wasn't the right time..
I can't do it, i'm sick of justifying myself now, I've stated many times i'm struggling with the kids..

That's fine you don't have to explain yourself. I didn't know you knew about OU - I assumed as it was "around graduation time" when you talked about your sister it was a none OU course.

But at the same time this is why people don't give anything positive.

I was so very careful on this thread (as my views on those who have children when already on benefits are well known) to ensure I said "2 plus children AFTER they claimed".

I know your position, I didn't want to add fuel to fire so was very careful with my wording.

I assumed it was aimed at myself as it was directly after I stated there was the likes of the OU. If that is myself being "sensitive" then I'll accept that, but it felt directed this way.

Dunroamin

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

I don't understand what you mean by improving my general education, I have GCSE's and I was halfway through my A's..

I felt that you would have more options if you were qualified to do a degree when you felt ready to do so. You obviously don't want to study with the OU where this wouldn't be necessary.

Dunroamin

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

The others have been harping on about do this do that, so I said 'ok tell me what job I can do' no one can ever give a sensible answer..

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Hang about!

I made a couple of very sensible suggestions to you, the first you dismissed out of hand, the second you didn't even acknowledge.

mazza111

Dunroamin wrote: »

I felt that you would have more options if you were qualified to do a degree when you felt ready to do so. You obviously don't want to study with the OU where this wouldn't be necessary.

Or maybe just not able to at the moment with all the carp she's having to deal with. I'd love to do something like that, but I wonder how much of it I would take in with the fugues. I can read books over and over again because I forget what I've been reading :rotfl: Some people with MH problems also have problems with concentration, maybe she just needs to be in a better place in her head before she can do this?

Ellejmorgan

Dunroamin wrote: »

I felt that you would have more options if you were qualified to do a degree when you felt ready to do so. You obviously don't want to study with the OU where this wouldn't be necessary.

I would love to do it, the ceromony was amazing, very inspiring, there was a speech by Professor Cox among other OU honoured grads..

Yes I would have more options definately I agree with you, just wish things would let up a little, I'm always crying myself to sleep because I can't cope, or because I'm so tired of dealing with pain and not sleeping..

A few years ago I started an access course, but had to finish due to lack of childcare...

princessdon

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

I would love to do it, the ceromony was amazing, very inspiring, there was a speech by Professor Cox among other OU honoured grads..

Yes I would have more options definately I agree with you, just wish things would let up a little, I'm always crying myself to sleep because I can't cope, or because I'm so tired of dealing with pain and not sleeping..

A few years ago I started an access course, but had to finish due to lack of childcare...

That is my point there are grants out there (eg gingerbread) that pay childcare.

You are not ready - I get that - but if this changes please do feel free to shout and ask.

It's when each are ready - each to their own, when it's time ask.

princessdon

mazza111 wrote: »

Or maybe just not able to at the moment with all the carp she's having to deal with. I'd love to do something like that, but I wonder how much of it I would take in with the fugues. I can read books over and over again because I forget what I've been reading :rotfl: Some people with MH problems also have problems with concentration, maybe she just needs to be in a better place in her head before she can do this?

I agree - but I am sure that Ellie herself will admit that she mainly talks of physical problems. If people are not aware and are looking at solutions based on physical needs then that is the result.

I am sure no one would have pushed studying if we knew that she was feeling so low. There is so much time in the future, no rush, no race, just when time.

Ellejmorgan

princessdon wrote: »

I agree - but I am sure that Ellie herself will admit that she mainly talks of physical problems. If people are not aware and are looking at solutions based on physical needs then that is the result.

I am sure no one would have pushed studying if we knew that she was feeling so low. There is so much time in the future, no rush, no race, just when time.

I have recently started discussing my mental health issues,
It's hardly surprising people on here are not willing to though, look at how some people behave towards claimants, and that's just for physical issues..

I've been called a liar, bad mother, sponger, and even been accused of lying about my meds, how sick is that ??

Thanks you for understanding, it means a lot...

Anny_2

FBaby wrote: »

Isn't that an exemple of a childlish reply too? Why is it that if I question the possibility that not everyone claiming DLA genuinely wish they could be able to work instead and not claim, I am jealous? I don't have any feeling of jealousy and have no reason to do so at all if that jealousy is relating to how much disabled people can receive as benefit income.



If she is entitled to DLA before she falls pregnant and have a child to look after, I would question why she isn't capable of being a nanny or childminder.

You seem to be assuming that every woman in this country has a right to be a mother (well they don't, many end up childless through no choice of theirs), or is able to enjoy a holiday (as said before, many working people are not able to afford this, even if it would also do them good), yet you seem to thing that disabled people should have that right just because they ARE disabled.



That brings the question of why DLA is non mean testing, especially now that child benefit is becoming so.


Could it be because disability is not the only condition that can affect someone and mean that getting a well paid job is going to be much more difficult than for others?

Only to those who are bitter indeed

No, I was not being childish I was merely making a statement and asking a question to an observation made after reading many posts by certain posters over a long period of time.

I do not believe in positive discrimination and would never say someone has a right 'just' because they are disabled - I do believe, however, that someone should not be denied equal rights to others because they are disabled. I stand firm in my belief of equality of opportunity...and while I do realise that many people face barriers, for reasons other than disability, I strongly believe there are opportunities for anyone to study, train and work to achieve an higher level of pay - it is not always easy, but if an individual is determined, it is certainly 'doable'.

Regarding a disabled woman having her own child and you 'questioning' why she could not be a nanny or a childminder, I think you need to look into disability and the many ways people manage their disabilities, in order to answer that one...it may not change your opinion, but at least you would be debating from a base of knowledge rather than one of assumptions.

The 'life is tough ain't it' comment was sarcasm after reading some of your posts that contain a bitter element against what you have to do to to earn your salary and others claiming disability benefits for a life of ease, again posts read over a long period of time.

If someone is genuinely disabled and is paying for personal care that costs anywhere from £10 - £15 per hour and they need 2 hours care each day to get ready for work and to be helped to bed and that is costing between £100 - £150 per week - then I doubt very much their DLA will cover that cost and they will be using some of their salary to supplement care costs, so they will not be better off than a fellow colleague and may be actually substantially worse off - and on that basis I do not believe that DLA should be means tested.