MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

chinagirl

I totally agree with the proposals. For example,my 23yr old son,self-employed mobile hairdresser, working hard and long hours but cannot earn enough to fund a flat of his own, so still lives at home with me, husband and his 2 x teenage brothers.

A work colleague who lives in a large 4 bedroom house, with a joint income in excess of £30000 pa has just helped her 20 yr old son move into his own flat, funded entirely by housing benefit as he is unemployed. Where is the justice in that.:mad:

My point is, that there was no need for her son to move out,they were not overcrowded and yet he gets his chance to live independently from his family, yet my own son, who cannot afford to pay rent on a flat of his own, so will continue to live with us for the foreseeable future, (with our blessing), but why should it be so?

Also where is the incentive to youngsters to work, when they know not working seems to be the key to independence nowadays !!:(

Vincent_Buenisedes

chinagirl wrote: »

I totally agree with the proposals. For example,my 23yr old son,self-employed mobile hairdresser, working hard and long hours but cannot earn enough to fund a flat of his own, so still lives at home with me, husband and his 2 x teenage brothers.

A work colleague who lives in a large 4 bedroom house, with a joint income in excess of £30000 pa has just helped her 20 yr old son move into his own flat, funded entirely by housing benefit as he is unemployed. Where is the justice in that.:mad:

My point is, that there was no need for her son to move out,they were not overcrowded and yet he gets his chance to live independently from his family, yet my own son, who cannot afford to pay rent on a flat of his own, so will continue to live with us for the foreseeable future, (with our blessing), but why should it be so?

Also where is the incentive to youngsters to work, when they know not working seems to be the key to independence nowadays !!:(

What's the parents income got to do with anything? If the kid is unemployed and managed to bag himself a flat I say good luck to him:D

You, on the other hand, seem a bit jealous. Envy is a poisonous thing and try not to let it overflow into your work life:D

Cerisa

Dunroamin; In that case, fair enough - another poster in the thread suggested that benefit fraudsters lose *all* benefits.

Cerisa

In terms of child maintenance - I know 4 single parents, 3 female, one male. Not one gets any maintenance.

I don't think it's fair to blame the person for 'picking a wrong-un' - you can't always tell if your partner is going to be a scumbag.

On top of that, you have to pay to pursue them for child support now.

It's like with student loans; you get a certain amount and the idea is that your parents contribute a certain amount (unless you're completely estranged). It works fine if the parents choose to contribute. The reasonable assumption is that they will; in practice they don't.

Topazimam: Unfortunately, you need both. And i'm sure HMRC staff won't mind studying on top of doing their work, plus the work their colleagues used to do.

Ellejmorgan

krisskross wrote: »

So why have three?

I don't think that's any of your business really is it ???

DuckEggGingham

Dunroamin wrote: »

Don't forget that she'll only be on this really low rate for the first year of her apprenticeship and will then go onto minimum wage.

This is true and she is halfway through her apprenticeship now. She has only just had to claim as she did have a 2nd evening job but the little restaurant closed. That did help top up her apprenticeship wages so she could cover rent/food. She is hopeful she can get another little job but in the meantime she has put in a HB claim. Hopefully she will be long past needing HB when these changes came into affect.

PaulF81

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

I don't think that's any of your business really is it ???

It is when you expect others to pay for them. This is the crux of this whole argument. If you can't pay for them, join the club of every hardworking taxpayer and use contraception.

MissMoneypenny

There are now a lot of posts from parents who suddenly get ill when they realise that as their youngest child is 5, they will now have to go onto jobseekers; with all that entails - or work. Before that, the posts use to be about avoiding JSA by becoming self employed; claim they work long hours but earn little to continue to get benefits (tax credits). As HMRC have been stamping down on those type of tax credits claimants recently, it seems that sickness benefits are going to be the new tax credits, for those that don't want to work.

I guess when the rest of the entitled to class wake up to the reality of Universal Credits, we will see more people trying to claim sickness benefits. It's a shame for those who really are sick, but it is always a few rotten apples who spoil it for the genuine people. However, I guess this is why Labour gave ATOS the contract to weed out the fakers.

Ellejmorgan

PaulF81 wrote: »

It is when you expect others to pay for them. This is the crux of this whole argument. If you can't pay for them, join the club of every hardworking taxpayer and use contraception.

Don't know how many times I have to say it he was employed...

Ellejmorgan

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

There are now a lot of posts from parents who suddenly get ill when they realise that as their youngest child is 5, they will now have to go onto jobseekers; with all that entails - or work. Before that, the posts use to be about avoiding JSA by becoming self employed; claim they work long hours but earn little to continue to get benefits. As HMRC have been stamping down on those type of tax credits claimants recently, it seems that sickness benefits are going to be the new tax credits, for those that don't want to work.

I guess when the rest of the entitled to class wake up to the reality of Universal Creidits, we will see more people trying to claim sickness benefits. It's a shame for those who really are sick, but it is always a few rotton apples who spoil it for the genuine people. However, I guess this is why Labour gave ATOS the contract to weed out the fakers.

Problem is though you lot who critisize don't know the system,
I'm getting told all sorts on here, yet I claim ESA, i'm assessed every 6 months, I'm in the WRAG which means in time with help and support I could eventually do some work..

So am I a genuine claimant or not, can't be both