MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

Dunroamin

topaziem wrote: »

What??????

Since when?? If any of that is true then it is disgusting. 50% more pension than someone that has worked for the minimum of 30 years just to get the state pension?

I'm speechless

Current basic state pension £107.45

Pension credit single person £142.70

I exaggerated - 40% higher.

Witchfinder_General

Dunroamin wrote: »

No I'm not, why would you think that?

Because, how the f00k does a serial scrounger (standfast the disabled). End up 50% better off than someone who has grafted their entire working life?

Dunroamin

Witchfinder_General wrote: »

Because, how the f00k does a serial scrounger (standfast the disabled). End up 50% better off than someone who has grafted their entire working life?

They don't end up better off because someone who gets a full state pension and no occupational/private pension gets topped up to pension credit level.

The real losers are those who get the basic state pension and a small private pension of around £40 who end up receiving the same as someone on pension credit who's never worked.

Witchfinder_General

Dunroamin wrote: »

They don't end up better off because someone who gets a full state pension and no occupational/private pension gets topped up to pension credit level.

The real losers are those who get the basic state pension and a small private pension of around £40 who end up receiving the same as someone on pension credit who's never worked.

Thanks for the explanation. I'm absolutely gobsmacked.

**Patty**

Dunroamin wrote: »

They don't end up better off because someone who gets a full state pension and no occupational/private pension gets topped up to pension credit level.

The real losers are those who get the basic state pension and a small private pension of around £40 who end up receiving the same as someone on pension credit who's never worked.

I'd disagree. I'd say the real losers are the ones that have not only paid tax on their salary but are now STILL eligible to pay tax in retirement on their pensions

Like my mother.

belladonna13

I have worked/lived with young people who have little or no hope, the majority from broken families, the chances of them returning to those families are zero, in some cases the young people take drugs their parents do not want them back, they cannot cope with the effects of drug abuse on the family. Some of these young people have been abused and cannot be expected to go back to their abusers. Some of these young people have turned to drugs and alcohol to try to alter their realities, some strive not to go down that path, despite being all but given up on and having very limited life choices. Some of these young people are no longer with us (zero cost to the taxpayer) because life really was too tough for them.

On £56.25 per week it is debatable that a drug habit can be funded for those addicted, so crime is often turned to in order to feed the habit, take away HB and other means will be found to pay the rent, Crime will definitely rise and single parent households will definitely rise, a baby to secure HB and the cost to the state will definitely rise.

You cannot just take away benefits, without having in place some real alternatives to recoup that loss, paid training, paid employment, opportunities and then not expect some backlash.

There are many other ways money can be saved the UK gives vast amounts to the EU and despite there being some countries the UK does not wish to support the EU gives money form the UK to these countries.
At the present time UK taxpayers money is paying toward £800,000 to Morocco to build a water park and £1.8 million to build an hotel and leisure complex to train 200 young people a year in hospitality management and on and on and on.

Good to hear 200 young people in Barbados are receiving training each year, the UK will probably have that many UK young people sleeping on the streets each night shortly.

Could always build more homeless hostels that would create some employment short term but at a cost of £150 per night per person, and that is a low estimate, I am not sure that would save anything.

Tax fiddles (fraud) should be addressed and all loopholes closed (although hitting the rich is I believe just too radical for this government deficit or no deficit).

The disabled, now the young, rumbles about the OAP's - do not feel left out anyone it will be your turn soon - one way or another!

MrSmartprice

robpw2 wrote: »

no one is expecting under 25s to live with thier parents , they could go out and get jobs and fund their own places , like the rest of us have too.
it wil be only those who don't want to work who will have to live with their parents till they are 25

So remind us again what you do for a living.

If it's so easy to get jobs, and you are fit for work, why haven't you got one? After all, this government are giving you all the help you could possibly need.:whistle:

DuckEggGingham

This worries me quite a lot. I have not looked into it properly so please excuse me for asking what may seem a couple of stupid questions.

My husband and I are overseas as we are a forces family. Our daughter is 20 in the UK doing a apprenticeship. The one she is on is very low paid compared to the full time hours that she does. She is in a room in a shared house close to her work to help keep travel costs down. Her wages do not cover the rent and basic food/living. So she has applied for help towards the rent of her room from housing benefit. We live overseas right now, she cannot do an apprenticeship here.

Would her situation make her one of those affected by no housing benefit help?

My husband and I both work and the only benefit we have had is child benefit for our children.

Thank you for any insight.

robpw2

cheghead wrote: »

All very well making under 25's stay at home. Trouble is when the female has 1 or more kids and living at parents home and claiming benefit. That means you'll be living next to 'noise from hell' in most houses. I know because that's what happened to us. We were so glad to see them finally leave and get their own place even if she is claiming hb.:j

perhaops though if having children is no longer a cash cow or pre requisite to having a home then these youths will think twice about having children

so much better all round:T

robpw2

MrSmartprice wrote: »

So remind us again what you do for a living.

If it's so easy to get jobs, and you are fit for work, why haven't you got one? After all, this government are giving you all the help you could possibly need.:whistle:

im not under 25