Nice people thread part 7 - a thread in its prime

vivatifosi

Generali wrote: »

It's hard to see what's illegal here. Yes it's certainly in very bad taste but it's not illegal to say things that are in bad taste. If there was a specific allegation against an individual like on Newsnight then there would potentially be a libel case waiting but that is a civil not a criminal matter.

You could try the electoral commission who look after these matters but I suspect you'll get nowhere. If you want this to bite Labour in the bum, send it round the newspapers/news outlets and hopefully someone will pick it up as at a national level it's indefensible from what you've told us.

Thanks Gen. I was in the US for a while prior to the US election and really dislike the attack dog type negative ads that you get there. It feels like that, only worse given the context. I hope we don't go down that route in this country in the future as we should only have limited time for PPBs and it should be about the policies.

I'd already looked at the Electoral Commission website and can't see a way to send a complaint about a campaign leaflet. I did consider going to the press, but the papers that are likely to take it and run with it (eg The Daily Mail) aren't exactly my type of read anyway and I think could go too far the other way. I think someone has made a gross error of misjudgement putting these out, but I don't think they deserve to have the skeletons in their family's cupboards pulled out as I think they would do.

What I will probably do is write to the Labour Party, complain and say that they really need to get their campaign staff in order.

vivatifosi

PasturesNew wrote: »

You need some better google powers: https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22education+for+power%22+Czartoryski&oq=%22education+for+power%22+Czartoryski&gs_l=hp.3...18071.18763.2.19084.3.3.0.0.0.0.121.356.0j3.3.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.x9yd-8ibJJw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=f0757f9dd0e77dbb&bpcl=38093640&biw=1089&bih=590

Over 1,000 results.

Obviously not as popular as jelly things.

PasturesNew wrote: »

This isn't a Boolean matter, this is an SEO matter. My blood group is SEO

When I click on your link I get 200 results. I can get the 8 (put the bloke's name that I can't spell and title the other way round) but not the 1000. Confused...

vivatifosi

PasturesNew wrote: »

Liz update: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2231033/Goodbye--good-riddance-During-catastrophic-years-country-Liz-Jones-greeted-gun-attack-relentless-abuse-Now-flees-city-bids-ferocious-farewell.html

fc will be chuckling over this at some point

It says she used Phil Spencer to find that farm for her - and he charged her £46k!! How the other half live!!

She also says she sold it for £500k less than she paid.

Brilliant! Thanks Pastures. She says she employed Phil Spencer to find the farm and then was annoyed that he charged her £46k and only left her a candle. Surely the point was he left her with not just a candle but the house that she'd chosen and was happy with at the time.

I particularly liked this bit:
I admit I’m spoilt and eccentric. I admit I used to yell at the gardener to ‘walk faster!’. I admit I used to leave food out for the rats in winter.


And she wondered what made her unpopular.

PasturesNew

vivatifosi wrote: »

When I click on your link I get 200 results. I can get the 8 (put the bloke's name that I can't spell and title the other way round) but not the 1000. Confused...

Google hates librarians..... doesn't want to be put out of a job ... so you get less results so you don't plot against Mr G.

I've no idea why you get 200 .... except that since some of the recent algorithm changes Google filters out various stuff based on the fact it's watching you and starts to second guess what you might be after..... so gives you the short version

Or maybe a section of the data centre was down that minute so you only got served what it had.

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

Thanks Gen. I was in the US for a while prior to the US election and really dislike the attack dog type negative ads that you get there. It feels like that, only worse given the context. I hope we don't go down that route in this country in the future as we should only have limited time for PPBs and it should be about the policies.

I'd already looked at the Electoral Commission website and can't see a way to send a complaint about a campaign leaflet. I did consider going to the press, but the papers that are likely to take it and run with it (eg The Daily Mail) aren't exactly my type of read anyway and I think could go too far the other way. I think someone has made a gross error of misjudgement putting these out, but I don't think they deserve to have the skeletons in their family's cupboards pulled out as I think they would do.

What I will probably do is write to the Labour Party, complain and say that they really need to get their campaign staff in order.

The electoral commission seem to deal with this but in their last 3 publications they have a dead link to the complaints thing.

If you complain to Labour they will fob you off and do nothing.

I think the relevant phone number is 020 7271 0616.

vivatifosi

PasturesNew wrote: »

Google hates librarians..... doesn't want to be put out of a job ... so you get less results so you don't plot against Mr G.

Oh heavens. The big G is watching me:eek:.

In other news, it was in CILIP Update (the magazine of the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals, not particularly high readership) this week that Amazon is now looking at ways to licence the Kindle for use in UK libraries. This will take a while to do if it goes through but could finally mean being able to upload library books on loan to the Amazon devices.

So it isn't just the big G. It's the whole of the internet is against us;).

lostinrates

vivatifosi wrote: »

Brilliant! Thanks Pastures. She says she employed Phil Spencer to find the farm and then was annoyed that he charged her £46k and only left her a candle. Surely the point was he left her with not just a candle but the house that she'd chosen and was happy with at the time.

I particularly liked this bit:
I admit I’m spoilt and eccentric. I admit I used to yell at the gardener to ‘walk faster!’. I admit I used to leave food out for the rats in winter.


And she wondered what made her unpopular.

I am spoiled an eccentric too, yet have no trouble in the country side. Or the city. The difference is I accept ( grudgingly:D ). People do not have to believe the same things and beliefs and values and know that a smile goes a very long way.


She is right that it's eay to be fleeced, it's sort of built in to the rural economy...but not just rural economy, it's that whole "rip off Britain' thing.


Living in an old farmhouse in the country side with animals IS a lifestyle choice. You do have to be quite comfortable with your own company, and be prepared to 'make lemonade' often when the weathe or the prices or whatever, get you. She was very unhappy before she left, and before she divorced, and before she married. I hope she can enter her 'later' years now feeling better. She looks better than she has before I think, so maybe age is agreeing with her.:)

PasturesNew

vivatifosi wrote: »

I'd already looked at the Electoral Commission website and can't see a way to send a complaint about a campaign leaflet.

Just send a complaint to every department you can find

It gives the name of the relevant team to complain to on this page, but they kind of fluff over it really http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/about-us/complaints-procedure

vivatifosi

lostinrates wrote: »

I am spoiled an eccentric too, yet have no trouble in the country side. Or the city. The difference is I accept ( grudgingly:D ). People do not have to believe the same things and beliefs and values and know that a smile goes a very long way.

I think it helps that you are a nice person:D.

michaels

vivatifosi wrote: »

I'd already looked at the Electoral Commission website and can't see a way to send a complaint about a campaign leaflet. I did consider going to the press, but the papers that are likely to take it and run with it (eg The Daily Mail) aren't exactly my type of read anyway and I think could go too far the other way. I think someone has made a gross error of misjudgement putting these out, but I don't think they deserve to have the skeletons in their family's cupboards pulled out as I think they would do.

What I will probably do is write to the Labour Party, complain and say that they really need to get their campaign staff in order.

I seem to remember a parliamentary seat having to be re-run in Sheffield(?) not that long ago due to a particularly odious election leaflet - google will/may not be your friend.

vivatifosi wrote: »

Oh heavens. The big G is watching me:eek:.

That Generali, he gets every where.

On the substantive issue, I think we need to go back to Orwell (assuming it has not been deemed non-pc and thus no longer available) and the bit about controlling the past to control the present and the future - previously we have only let govts determine what we should know and remember, now we are outsourcing it to big corporations - or is that more Huxley?