RAF lad gets Fine from Service Station

taffy056

Right keeper liability comes in for fake tickets today, so it means that the keeper needs to name the driver of the vehicle to cp plus , unless he wants to pay the invoice within 14 days. If he appeals at the same time and its refused he will have the ability to appeal to https://www.popla.org.uk who are supposed to be independent. It would be handy if he could scan his fake ticket in as this is new to us right now.

muckybutt

PaintingsHero wrote: »

CP PLUS he thinks it says.

trisontana wrote: »

So Operated by Moto. I'm trying to remember which PPC they use.

Could well be CP Plus ?

PaintingsHero

Thank you for all you're advice and links all saved and much appreciated.

Best wishes to all of you for being so kind in helping us. xx

trisontana

Quentin wrote: »

Instead of continuing with all this poor advice, which is confusing not only the OP but any others reading this thread, why not stand corrected/remove the "advice" and advise the OP to go to pepipoo for some correct advice?

Why? What's wrong with that advice?

taffy056

He will probably want further advice if he intends to appeal this, so please come back so we know what your friend intends to do.

taffy056

trisontana wrote: »

Why? What's wrong with that advice?

The advice to ignore is not correct, keeper liability for invoices is now in force in England and Wales , and because CP Plus are in the AOS an appeal to popla is possible on a refusal of an appeal by the parking company. Ignoring will now cause problems , so unless the driver intends to pay then they should now appeal.

spike7451

trisontana wrote: »

It's not a fine and it can be ignored. Please read other threads on here that deal with private parking matters.

Sorry but in this case you're wrong.

What will happen is the PPC will find out that he is a serviceman via his address if he uses a base address.
(married personnel in AMQ's may have the address as "Cpl Bod,31 Station Road,RAF Conningsby" for example & single servicemen will have their mail delivered to their squadron as they live in barracks)
The PPC will write to the Discipline Section via the Station Commander (all correspondence is addressed to him/her as courtesy)
Airman will then be summoned to the Discipline Section & ordered to pay the fine or dispute it,failure to do so may involve harsher action,such as a charge or notation on your service record.
The reason I know that is because the is what HAPPENED TO ME when a garage I sold my old car to used the car on a lunch run or something & got it ticketed for parking in a car park before they sold the car on.
I ended up getting my Squadron Leader to dispute it as I had proof to show that I was back in RAF Germany at the time the ticket was issued in Peterbourough.
Best thing the OP's brother can do is go & have a word with his Warrant Officer.He could also ask over on the RAF forum E-Goat as the would be people there who would be better advised on how he can deal with this 'in house' rather than advice on a civilian forum that mainly answers questions from civvies as by simply ignoring it could damage his career.

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/forum.php

HTH.
Spike (ex RAF)

Welsh_Exile

OP - who is the registered keeper (RK) of the car your brother was driving?

If it is his own car then ignoring is still an option. The law which came into force today only means that the parking company can (try to) hold the RK liable if they don't have the driver's details, so if RK and driver are one and the same then the situation is no different than before. In any case, the parking company will still have win at court to get any money and they won't be able to show that they the have sufficient interest in the land to do that. Nor will they be able show any actual loss due to your brother's kip.

PaintingsHero

spike7451 wrote: »

Sorry but in this case you're wrong.

What will happen is the PPC will find out that he is a serviceman via his address if he uses a base address.
(married personnel in AMQ's may have the address as "Cpl Bod,31 Station Road,RAF Conningsby" for example & single servicemen will have their mail delivered to their squadron as they live in barracks)
The PPC will write to the Discipline Section via the Station Commander (all correspondence is addressed to him/her as courtesy)
Airman will then be summoned to the Discipline Section & ordered to pay the fine or dispute it,failure to do so may involve harsher action,such as a charge or notation on your service record.

The reason I know that is because the is what HAPPENED TO ME when a garage I sold my old car to used the car on a lunch run or something & got it ticketed for parking in a car park before they sold the car on.

I ended up getting my Squadron Leader to dispute it as I had proof to show that I was back in RAF Germany at the time the ticket was issued in Peterbourough.

Best thing the OP's brother can do is go & have a word with his Warrant Officer.He could also ask over on the RAF forum E-Goat as the would be people there who would be better advised on how he can deal with this 'in house' rather than advice on a civilian forum that mainly answers questions from civvies as by simply ignoring it could damage his career.

HTH.
Spike (ex RAF)

Thanks i will pass on your post to him as he was going to ignore it... but will pass it on now cheers for all you're help, although we are very confused with all the replies.

trisontana

But it's not a fine, it's a ppc invoice that can be ignored. He hasn't broken any law, So why should he be disciplined?