Your thoughts please

breadlinebetty

la_farfallina wrote: »

I think that the kind people on here are trying to help me escape the gun/knife/gang culture that I am currently living in.
As far as I understand it they have suggested up North in view of my financial situation, and the fact that, as a nurse, I can pretty much work anywhere in the Country.

Ok, I get London weighting here, but the pay difference is not huge.

I have a close friend who was an armed Police Officer and his patch was Willesden, Harlesden and Wembley.

He worries for my safety here and thinks that this area is worse...be it London, Greater London or Essex....that is neither here nor there.

My sister works in the field of hate crime, and business, shall we say, is very brisk. She is keen for me to move.

I lived in Wales for eight years and it rained pretty much most of the time. I figured that you don't get all that beautiful greenery without a drop of rain.

As my Yorkshire dad would say (well, I imagine he would if I had seen him since I was three) there's nowt as queer as folk.

But there's knife and gun crime up north, you know.....:(

Just as much as there is down south. In fact, some of the deprived areas up north have more social problems and crime than down south.

If you're going to move to a sleepy village then chances are it will be safe (though there's no guarantees anywhere) and the more exclusive areas of a town or city are usually safer - but that applies to all parts of the country.

Bsically, the only reason you're considering moving up north is because property is cheaper, but then wages are lower too..........

breadlinebetty

Fire_Fox wrote: »

You make the assumption that those of us who live up north aren't able to make our OWN comparisons, and suggest based on our OWN experiences. I was born and raised in the south, in green belt counties and in East London. I have also lived and worked in three Yorkshire cities, including the most deprived and the most desirable. Most depressing? London.

Does a little bit of sunshine make up for the fact that when you travel on a bus or tube in London you are studiously ignored, touched up/ flashed at or pickpocketed? That as a female you'd be insane to go to a pub alone or walk through the streets late at night or set the world to rights with your minicab driver? Not for me.

Have you lived and worked up north for a decent chunk of your adult life or are you getting all your 'facts' from the tabloids? My good sized two bedroom city centre flat in Yorkshire is currently worth max £60K, my sibling's poky one bedroom South London apartment just sold for £220K. When my parents retired to Yorkshire they vacated a small two bedroom East London maisonette, buying a huge two bedroom duplex riverside apartment in a desirable village. 2007 ceiling price for the developments was £260K and £170K respectively. That's not even taking into consideration the difference in council tax and public transport! You really believe wages are that different for an equivalent job?

Most of the time it's warm and sunny you or your partner are stuck in work, not me tho because I can afford to work part time. Nor my Yorkshire relatives: my parents and both my aunts are mortgage free so could afford to take early retirement. :T

Maybe for you London was the most depressing place, but for millions of others London is a fascinating, vibrant beautiful city. Unless you're living in THE most squalid, deprived conditions and area, and are living on the poverty line it's hard to see how anyone could find London depressing when there's so much opportunity and scope to move around and find work.

Yes, commuters on a packet tube or bus aren't going to strike up conversation with a stranger - it's far too busy for that kind of lazy chit chat. But you'll find that all over the world in any large city. That's not unique to London.

That was a rather sweeping statement to make about being touched up/flashed or pickpocketed.........when I was in my 20s I commuted on the tube and bus in London for years (and I was as attractive as any other young woman) only once did someone try to pess themselves against me - so given the numbers of commuters throughout the year it's actually a very rare occurance.

Just like anywhere in the world you need to keep your wits about you and make sure you've got your valuables tucked away, and look out for ay oddballs who might seem pervy, but you'll find oddballs in villages too!

breadlinebetty

pete50 wrote: »

on the outskirts of the towns its lovely,its only the inner centre estates which you get in every city centre which are less desirable. (which aren't as bad as the media portray) i find the area a lot safer than when i was down south.The work situation is still good,especially if you've got an in-demand trade,a 25-30k job in the north east is the equivalent of 70-80k in the south.

"a 25-30k job in the north east is the equivalent of 70-80k in the south."

How do you work that one out?

breadlinebetty

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Honestly it's a fallacy you need to run a car outside London.

I don't run a car here, I have buses on my doorstep and trains three minutes walk away. In fact I haven't ever run a car so I have no idea what petrol costs these days! Thinking about it the only one of my Yorkshire 'circle' to run a car is my friend's new husband and when my ex moved up here he sold his car. My parents have a train station on their doorstep and buses three minutes walk so they don't need to run a car (tho they do choose to).

My sibling's South London apartment had a tube and rail station ten minutes walk away, buses much closer. They also ran a car but to be fair that was mostly for visiting relatives outside London. The house my parents lived in East London has a tube, rail and bus station five minutes walk away.

Well I also live very close to a train station, bus stops and not that far from a tube station, but I still have a car too.

OK, a car isn't as essentail in London as out in the sticks as London has such a good public transport system, but many Londoners still have cars too!

It isn't just a case of needing a car to visit relatives, it's things like travelling to different shops/stores/supermarkets and buying bulky items that are impossible to carry around on buses... It's nice to take a day out shopping in a centre and looking around......and if you need to visit several shops in different areas I think a car is essential. You can't do all your shopping online - and some people like to get out and choose their items in places such as Ikea, Argos, B&Q, Homebase, Carpet Showrooms etc...you need a car for those kind of shops.

It's also handy having a car just for your supermarket shopping, or if you need to dash down to the GP surgery, local hospital......I can think of hundreds of reasons why a car is so convenient. One being the time you save having to wait for buses in the rain, and if you need to go to 2 or 3 different places all on the same day, the time spent getting on and off/waiting for buses is time wasted. If you do it by car you can save HOURS!

la_farfallina

breadlinebetty wrote: »

But there's knife and gun crime up north, you know.....:(

Just as much as there is down south. In fact, some of the deprived areas up north have more social problems and crime than down south.

If you're going to move to a sleepy village then chances are it will be safe (though there's no guarantees anywhere) and the more exclusive areas of a town or city are usually safer - but that applies to all parts of the country.

Bsically, the only reason you're considering moving up north is because property is cheaper, but then wages are lower too..........

I looked at the crime stats for my area....1100 in August.
Also looked at Skipton (just for comparison)......98.

Ok, I don't know the population numbers in either place, and it may be that Skipton has much more rape/gun crime/knife crime/burglary/substance misuse/forced marriage/sex offenders per capita than where I live.
But it isn't looking too bad so far.

Staff nurse salary in Cumbria starts at £21,176....probably around 4 grand less than Chelsea and Westminster.
How I would love to live in Chelsea.

I hope that people don't really think that it hasn't occurred to me that there is violent crime up North.

Oh the irony if I got murdered on my way home from Arkwright's pie shop after a night out at the Working Men's Club in Yorkshire.

Fire_Fox

breadlinebetty wrote: »

Maybe for you London was the most depressing place, but for millions of others London is a fascinating, vibrant beautiful city. Unless you're living in THE most squalid, deprived conditions and area, and are living on the poverty line it's hard to see how anyone could find London depressing when there's so much opportunity and scope to move around and find work.

Yes, commuters on a packet tube or bus aren't going to strike up conversation with a stranger - it's far too busy for that kind of lazy chit chat. But you'll find that all over the world in any large city. That's not unique to London.

That was a rather sweeping statement to make about being touched up/flashed or pickpocketed.........when I was in my 20s I commuted on the tube and bus in London for years (and I was as attractive as any other young woman) only once did someone try to pess themselves against me - so given the numbers of commuters throughout the year it's actually a very rare occurance.

Just like anywhere in the world you need to keep your wits about you and make sure you've got your valuables tucked away, and look out for ay oddballs who might seem pervy, but you'll find oddballs in villages too!

:rotfl: Again have you lived and worked up north for a decent chunk of your adult life or are you getting all your 'facts' from the tabloids? There is absolutely no point in debating with someone who selects half a sentence at a time, completely changing the sense of the post.

How many of the cities you speak of have you actually been to? I'm going to stick my neck out and say my parents are fairly good authorities on this - Europe many times, all the way to China and back, Oz and New Zealand, right around south and north America. All in a motorhome, out of the UK more than in it since they retired in the nineties. :cool: http://www.xor.org.uk/silkroute/index.html

breadlinebetty wrote: »

Well I also live very close to a train station, bus stops and not that far from a tube station, but I still have a car too.

OK, a car isn't as essentail in London as out in the sticks as London has such a good public transport system, but many Londoners still have cars too!

It isn't just a case of needing a car to visit relatives, it's things like travelling to different shops/stores/supermarkets and buying bulky items that are impossible to carry around on buses... It's nice to take a day out shopping in a centre and looking around......and if you need to visit several shops in different areas I think a car is essential. You can't do all your shopping online - and some people like to get out and choose their items in places such as Ikea, Argos, B&Q, Homebase, Carpet Showrooms etc...you need a car for those kind of shops.

It's also handy having a car just for your supermarket shopping, or if you need to dash down to the GP surgery, local hospital......I can think of hundreds of reasons why a car is so convenient. One being the time you save having to wait for buses in the rain, and if you need to go to 2 or 3 different places all on the same day, the time spent getting on and off/waiting for buses is time wasted. If you do it by car you can save HOURS!

Well I am glad you told me that about cars. Now you say all this I have absolutely no idea how I have managed for all these decades without one. :rotfl: Obviously you having lived in the north for so many years you'd know all about how we all stand about in the rain day after day. It's so backwards we don't have taxis, relatives or colleagues with cars, bus stops with shelters on our doorsteps, golf umbrellas, internet connection for home delivery .....

la_farfallina

Fire_Fox wrote: »

:rotfl: Again have you lived and worked up north for a decent chunk of your adult life or are you getting all your 'facts' from the tabloids? There is absolutely no point in debating with someone who selects half a sentence at a time, completely changing the sense of the post.

How many of the cities you speak of have you actually been to? I'm going to stick my neck out and say my parents are fairly good authorities on this - Europe many times, all the way to China and back, Oz and New Zealand, right around south and north America. All in a motorhome, out of the UK more than in it since they retired in the nineties. :cool: http://www.xor.org.uk/silkroute/index.html




Well I am glad you told me that about cars. Now you say all this I have absolutely no idea how I have managed for all these decades without one. :rotfl: Obviously you having lived in the north for so many years you'd know all about how we all stand about in the rain day after day. It's so backwards we don't have taxis, relatives or colleagues with cars, bus stops with shelters on our doorsteps, golf umbrellas, internet connection for home delivery .....

Do the homes have central heating up there?
Or would I have to go out and get coal?

This might pose a problem because I can't drive.
Although I can see an injection ampoule details really clearly, I can't see a car number plate from the required distance.

Could I get a horse and cart?

Fire_Fox

la_farfallina wrote: »

Do the homes have central heating up there?
Or would I have to go out and get coal?

Oh yes plenty of coal in Newcastle and South Yorkshire; North Yorkshire runs on peat and bitter tho. No need to fetch it yourself, isn't that the point of fostering?

la_farfallina wrote: »

This might pose a problem because I can't drive.
Although I can see an injection ampoule details really clearly, I can't see a car number plate from the required distance.

Could I get a horse and cart?

No problem! :A

la_farfallina

:rotfl:Weak with laughter!!!!!!

la_farfallina

Auntie Nelly and Uncle Bill lived in....brace yourself for a swearword.....Lancashire.

They rode a tandem bike until they were well into their eighties.

I always thought that it was rather sweet.

Didn't occur to me that they had no choice due to the limited forms of transport up there.

Uncle Bill used to have a saying when we were kids...something like "owt for nowt and nowt for owt"...can't remember the rest.

Am loving the thought of Yorkshire more and more.

And still laughing at your post!