Bought Car And Just found out its been clocked. Where do I stand

mattyprice4004

londonTiger wrote: »

did you get a receipt saying you handing over £1000, if the seller is cooperative then it can work out, but if he decides to play hardball then it might be difficult to prove that the sale took place or substantiate the cost of sale.

Ebay ads are not proof of sale.

Ideally you should take someone knowledgable about cars, there's a big difference in the quality and feel of a car that's done 125k and one that's done 220k. On the latter the seats, pedals, steering wheel, and all the other bits and bobs that come in contact with the driver and passenger would be work out. It would be obvious that it's gone round the block a bit.

fonzyg50 wrote: »

Hi everyone

I purchased a car on 17/9/12 which we saw on eBay
It was stated as "125,000 miles. Drives great and runs smoothly" This guy(claims to be a trader)Had 100% feedback. Anyway we went round in the evening and test drove it and handed the cash £1000. He then told us he will send the rest of the documents as he left it at his office. Anyway we told him can we complete it through eBay he said yes.

We drove the car and had problems on the way home (110miles away) half way the glow plug light came on the car started to limp. We pulled over and switch it off and then back on. We noticed a lot of smoke at the back.

Next morning 18/9/12. We tried ringing him but he wasn't picking up. We left text messages. Voicemail and emails. We went on eBay and noticed he ended the listing. Also i was looking for the locking wheel nut and I was getting worried so I went through the glove box and found a mot certificate which looked defaced. I got onto vosa website and entered the reference number from my v5 slip as the mot certificate was defaced. The mileage and test number were unreadable.

And to my horror the car had done over 220,000 miles. The car has been clocked. The last mot was August 2012 with the correct mileage.

On my invoice I noticed he put mileage 125,000 not warranted. And sold as seen. Trade sale
Where do we stand. This is fraud. On the eBay listing at the bottom of the description he has put sold as seen no warranty given or implied

He said, as emboldened, he did

photome

londonTiger wrote: »

did you get a receipt saying you handing over £1000, if the seller is cooperative then it can work out, but if he decides to play hardball then it might be difficult to prove that the sale took place or substantiate the cost of sale.

Ebay ads are not proof of sale.

Ideally you should take someone knowledgable about cars, there's a big difference in the quality and feel of a car that's done 125k and one that's done 220k. On the latter the seats, pedals, steering wheel, and all the other bits and bobs that come in contact with the driver and passenger would be work out. It would be obvious that it's gone round the block a bit.

Is there really that big a difference, pedals, seat etc can be worn at 100000 depending on how the car has been used, in fact I have just seen a car with 20000 miles on but the seats look like they have done over 100000,

OP what exactly did the ad say, can you link or provide seller ID

As others have said as its a trade sale you should be entitled to money back, its getting it that may be the problem

fonzyg50

thanks for your replies.

i have contacted dvla, vosa, ebay, police and trading standards. dvla and vosa were very helpful and the police were useless saying contact trading standards.

trading standards have asked me to send a letter recorded to the sellers house. i have given him 7 days to pick up my car and give me a refund as the car has been clocked.

fonzyg50

londonTiger wrote: »

did you get a receipt saying you handing over £1000, if the seller is cooperative then it can work out, but if he decides to play hardball then it might be difficult to prove that the sale took place or substantiate the cost of sale.

Ebay ads are not proof of sale.

Ideally you should take someone knowledgable about cars, there's a big difference in the quality and feel of a car that's done 125k and one that's done 220k. On the latter the seats, pedals, steering wheel, and all the other bits and bobs that come in contact with the driver and passenger would be work out. It would be obvious that it's gone round the block a bit.

the interior was in excellent condition which i found strange as its done over 220000 miles,i think he replaced the interior. the drive of the car was awful as i found out on the way home. we took it for a test drive just round the block as i didn't know the area. seller waited in the house while we both drove the car

fonzyg50

photome wrote: »

Is there really that big a difference, pedals, seat etc can be worn at 100000 depending on how the car has been used, in fact I have just seen a car with 20000 miles on but the seats look like they have done over 100000,

OP what exactly did the ad say, can you link or provide seller ID

As others have said as its a trade sale you should be entitled to money back, its getting it that may be the problem

TURBO DIESEL
10 MONTHS MOT
125,000 MILES
full leather interior, heated seats, digital climate control
power windows, power locks, 16" ford alloys

This has just came in to us as a p/ex and is here on ebay to be sold at a bargain price

As you can see from the pics this is a very good looking car
its finnished in metallic black with black leather interior
the bodywork does have marks around it
the worst are shown in the pics
also there is a headlight washer jet missing from
the front bumper and a scuff where it was
but the car still looks nice and respectible


The interior is in great condition
There are no major marks on the carpets
its very nice and comfy with loads of extras
all the electrics ect work as the should

It starts first time every time and drives great
it pulls very well and changes gear nice and smothly
all the brakes and suspention feel very good
its very nippy but still great on diesel


MAY P/EX OR SWAP WITH CASH EITHER WAY

ALL CARS SOLD ON EBAY BY ME ARE SOLD AS SEEN WITH NO WARRANTY GIVEN OR IMPLIED
THIS IS BECAUSE THESE CARS ARE ALREADY BEING SOLD AT TRADE PRICES
IF FOR ANY REASON YOU ARE UNSURE PLEASE COME OVER AND VIEW/TEST DRIVE BEFORE BUYING
I AM 100% GENUINE IN MY LISTINGS TO SAVE ANY DISAPPOINTMENT FOR BOTH PARTIES INVOLVED

fivetide

First thought is not to buy a car from a trader that can't spell.

Second was it a classified ad or a buy it now auction type thing? it's just that this:

Anyway we told him can we complete it through eBay he said yes

makes it sound like you didn't actually buy through eBay in the end. (Appreciating you handed over cash) If that is the case and/or it was a classified listing eBay won't care.

However, the chap has promised it is 100% accurate so clearly a lie. Have you spoken to Trading Standards yet?

5t.

pinkteapot

Did he give you the tear-off slip from the V5 (logbook) that the new owner is meant to be given?

For next time around, once you've got your money back and buy another car, never hand over your cash without doing an HPI check first. It should have shown the mileage discrepancy.

Think I've found your seller on eBay BTW, based on the ad and location. It's definitely a trade seller - there is no way he could get away with claiming to be a private seller in the event of a dispute.

fonzyg50

fivetide wrote: »

First thought is not to buy a car from a trader that can't spell.

Second was it a classified ad or a buy it now auction type thing? it's just that this:

makes it sound like you didn't actually buy through eBay in the end. (Appreciating you handed over cash) If that is the case and/or it was a classified listing eBay won't care.

However, the chap has promised it is 100% accurate so clearly a lie. Have you spoken to Trading Standards yet? yes i have and they said we have a good case

5t.

it was a buy now & make offer, we have contacted ebay and they were very helpful and the told us to contact the police. so they can contact ebay for them to carry out there investigation.

fonzyg50

pinkteapot wrote: »

Did he give you the tear-off slip from the V5 (logbook) that the new owner is meant to be given? yes he did

For next time around, once you've got your money back and buy another car, never hand over your cash without doing an HPI check first. It should have shown the mileage discrepancy.

we done a text car check but came back without the mileage

Think I've found your seller on eBay BTW, based on the ad and location. It's definitely a trade seller - there is no way he could get away with claiming to be a private seller in the event of a dispute.

Ive tried to call him again but he still not answering

fonzyg50

just a thought!! I have not driven the car since monday and do i need cancel the insurance as i rejected the car. and the car has no tax, the seller told me that the previous owner have kept back the tax disc for a refund and said to us, that we have till the end of the month to get one, don't know if this is true.probably not. if not shall i get it sorned as i don't want to buy tax for this.