The 2 working parent family

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Generali wrote: »

Twaddle.

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Of course it is. As is the same anti-immigration argument.

I was expressing surprise that so many are willing to apply the argument in one case but not in the other.

Generali

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

Of course it is. As is the same anti-immigration argument.

I was expressing surprise that so many are willing to apply the argument in one case but not in the other.

I see, my mistake then. That didn't come across to me in what you said.

nomoreboomandbust

Generali wrote: »

Twaddle.

More people in an economy mean more workers are needed to provide for their needs, an economy isn't a pie to be shared among the populations.

To think of an example, think about the number of hairdressers that need to be employed as the population rises. Then think about the wages/profits of those hairdressers and what happens to them. There is no demonstrable correlation between immigration or increased female participation in the labour market and unemployment.

How do you explain spain's youth unemployment rate of just over 50% then

purch

The population of Spain "currently" has fewer needs than previously.

That is what a deep and lasting depression does to an economy.

Generali

nomoreboomandbust wrote: »

How do you explain spain's youth unemployment rate of just over 50% then

It's a structural adjustment. Very sad for the youth concerned of course.

chewmylegoff

my mum was a teacher, she went back to work when i went to primary school, so took about 6 years off work all together as i have an older sister. unfortunately she decided to work at the same primary school that i went to. i wish she had stayed at home!

Gracchus_Babeuf

Carl31 wrote: »

Is this a significant factor to the current unemployment rates? and economic problems in general?
I think I am too young to really consider it fully, but when I was little, during the 80s, my mum didn't work, only my Dad worked, the same for the majority of my friends. None of our Dads were particularly high earners, yet they managed to pay their mortgage and provide for us (I have a brother and sister). We had UK based holidays, lived in a decent house, ran a car etc.. pretty 'normal' stuff. Yet, nowadays, people claim that they cannot live without both parents working? is that true, or are people wanting to have it all, family and a career? where as before the mother (or father) accepted that whilst the kids were young, they would be at home?
What baffles me is the amount of people, including my friends, that both work full time, and put their child into care, at say £1k a month out of their net salary, automatically wiping out any gain from full time work. In reality, it would make more sense for one parent to take a part time role and raise their child at home, which would also free up more full time roles in the market
Just something I have been thinking about lately that I would appreciate some views on

The answer is GREED! People nowadays are far more materialistic. They want more of everything. And modern toys cost a lot of money. In the late 70s/early 80s I was playing Subbuteo and board games of various types, but kids now want expensive gadgets and the latest designer gear. And the parents now expect a car each - in my day only my father drove, and it was an 'old banger'. As for childcare, this was provided by the grandparents - in those days they didn't spend all their time swanning off on cruises!

More money has created more greed and bad habits. We have become a nastier, more selfish nation.

CLAPTON

nomoreboomandbust wrote: »

How do you explain spain's youth unemployment rate of just over 50% then

and 50% of the people in Spain aged 18 to 25 are NOT unemployed and looking for work.

Gracchus_Babeuf

purch wrote: »

I would have thought that by the 1980's it would have been unusual for there not to be 2 working parents, rather than the other way round.

You forget that Britain had more traditional values then. And women's lower pay limited job opportunities for them.

olly300

Carl31 wrote: »

Is this a significant factor to the current unemployment rates? and economic problems in general?
I think I am too young to really consider it fully, but when I was little, during the 80s, my mum didn't work, only my Dad worked, the same for the majority of my friends. None of our Dads were particularly high earners, yet they managed to pay their mortgage and provide for us (I have a brother and sister).

When I was little during the 80s lots of mums worked.

They worked as secretaries, administrative assistants, hairdressers, nurses, cleaners etc. and in the family business. Lots of the family businesses were shops of various kinds. Most mothers worked part-time, a few like my mum worked full-time and lots of the nurses worked at night. The large local hospital, which is now even larger, was a maximum of 30 minutes walk from most homes.

One boy's mum we all decided was glamorous because she was a Graphic Designer.

There were only about 5 mums in my class who didn't work. 2 of them had much younger children and 1 had taken on foster children while the other 2 just didn't. The mums who didn't work were the ones who came into school and took us to the library, swimming and school trips with the teachers unpaid.

The mothers ranged in age from their mid-20s to late 40s.

As far as childcare went - friends, relatives and older siblings were carers until you could look after yourself. There was no vetting so if your mum decided so-and-so's mum would be a good person to take care of you if she was at work that's where you went.

A few of my friends' younger siblings later had childminders but they were all around 6.