I absolutely despise Tories a simple yes or no.

markharding557

Dislike the conservatives almost as much as the libdems with blue labour close behind

dinofabio

I despise Cameron for not sticking up for Tory principles

I despise Miliband for not sticking up for Labour principles

I despise Clegg for not sticking up for Lib Dem principles

zagubov

I wouldn't trust the Tories to run a bath. For that matter the other two Westminster parties are full of charisma vacuums and oxygen thieves with barely a wisdom tooth between them.

They've got the wisdom of youth but the energy of old age.

wotsthat wrote: »

Just wish we had a government that seemed a little more competent. A more effective opposition would be nice too.

We get the governments and politicians we deserve.

We need something like the SNP down here. Nothing to do with independence (thaty's not why the voters up in Scotland like them). Just they do the job professionally and transparently and would generally give Private Eye a headache trying to find the corruption and incompetence the other parties achieve routinely.

They also seem to balance the left-right aspects of centre left politics better than the other neo-liberal numpties we're stuck with down here.

zenmaster

Yes I do.

Bunch of limp wristed, u-turning, pinko wets.

Where's the option for military junta on my ballot paper?

homelessskilledworker

dinofabio wrote: »

I despise Cameron for not sticking up for Tory principles

I despise Miliband for not sticking up for Labour principles

I despise Clegg for not sticking up for Lib Dem principles

You are partly right to feel that way, where it all went seriously wrong in my opinion is with Labour. We need the Labour party to be left wing and the Tory party to be right wing. Then us the voters decide over the years and decades where we are going to swing.

For example when Maggie was voted into power love her or hate her she was voted in for a reason, and that reason was to straighten out a sick trade union run GB. There was no mistaking what she stood for and no BS, what you saw is what you got. Then you can look on a time when there was no National Health or when the workers had zero rights and no protection, then we needed a left wing government.

After Kinnock lost again and John Smith died Labour and the now up and coming Labour spin reptiles such as Maddelson and Campbell decided enough was enough and that Labour must win at any cost, so they moulded Tony slimey Blair and turned themselves into the Tories II.

The Lib Dems can be forgiven, they are just centre ground and jump around from left to right politics, and probably deep down most of us in the UK are quite Liberal in our thinking and politics.

I think deep down we know Ed Millibands type, good intentions and probably a good man, but as wet as they come. David Cameron we also know deep down what he is probably really like, over privileged and with no concept of working class struggles, probably also a nice man. But both seem to struggle or even come across ashamed to express what they reeally believe, Milliband probably being the worse.

What we really need in this country is some good solid left and right parties, and WE will decide which way to swing for the numerous reasons we vote, and more often than not we get it right.

homelessskilledworker

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

You are partly right to feel that way, where it all went seriously wrong in my opinion is with Labour. We need the Labour party to be left wing and the Tory party to be right wing. Then us the voters decide over the years and decades where we are going to swing.

For example when Maggie was voted into power love her or hate her she was voted in for a reason, and that reason was to straighten out a sick trade union run GB. There was no mistaking what she stood for and no BS, what you saw is what you got. Then you can look on a time when there was no National Health or when the workers had zero rights and no protection, then we needed a left wing government.

After Kinnock lost again and John Smith died Labour and the now up and coming Labour spin reptiles such as Maddelson and Campbell decided enough was enough and that Labour must win at any cost, so they moulded Tony slimey Blair and turned themselves into the Tories II.

The Lib Dems can be forgiven, they are just centre ground and jump around from left to right politics, and probably deep down most of us in the UK are quite Liberal in our thinking and politics.

I think deep down we know Ed Millibands type, good intentions and probably a good man, but as wet as they come. David Cameron we also know deep down what he is probably really like, over privileged and with no concept of working class struggles, probably also a nice man. But both seem to struggle or even come across ashamed to express what they reeally believe, Milliband probably being the worse.

What we really need in this country is some good solid left and right parties, and WE will decide which way to swing for the numerous reasons we vote, and more often than not we get it right.

The more I think about this the more I am certain great things and great institutions only occur when there is a massive shift to the left or right. Centre ground sideliners and ditherers seem to go unnoticed in the history books and changed nothing.

Froglet

Froglet wrote: »

Well said ,regarding the last paragraph.Their stance on any animal welfare issue is appalling, but what can you expect from a self confessed hunter as a prime minister.

Sapphire have you signed here http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38257 ? numbers are rising every day and we need 100k to guarantee a debate on this disgraceful action.

I make no apologies for quoting myself !! just wanted to remind newcomers to this thread to vote if they feel strongly about this matter(the badger cull),and also to let others who are interested that the number of voters,in just 2 days,has risen by 20,000.Just shows the depth of feeling out there.

chewmylegoff

Froglet wrote: »

I make no apologies for quoting myself !! just wanted to remind newcomers to this thread to vote if they feel strongly about this matter(the badger cull),and also to let others who are interested that the number of voters,in just 2 days,has risen by 20,000.Just shows the depth of feeling out there.

What should we make of the fact that 60,000,000 odd people haven't signed it. What depth of feeling does that show?

Sapphire

Froglet wrote: »

I make no apologies for quoting myself !! just wanted to remind newcomers to this thread to vote if they feel strongly about this matter(the badger cull),and also to let others who are interested that the number of voters,in just 2 days,has risen by 20,000.Just shows the depth of feeling out there.

Froglet: just to let you know that I've also distributed the link to all and sundry – people of good will do sign it when they are made aware of it. (Although, alas, there are far too few of those among us humans.)

Thank you again for reposting the link. Amazingly, it is the most active of the e-petitions, with 582 individuals having signed in the last hour, so the phlegmatic Brits must feel pretty strongly about this issue! :T

Loughton_Monkey

I've been badgering my MP about it for years.

I am also not happy with seal clubbing in Canada.

But the thing that makes me even more angry is that we do not have an annual cull of politicians. I object to having the opportunity only every 5 years to vote an MP IN.

It would give me infinitely more pleasure to have the annual opportunity to vote my MP OUT. So we would start off with 650 MPs who need to 'shape up'. After year 1, I would guess 450 would get booted out since they are lazy, publicity-seeking, layabouts who do not do their job. And so on.....

By year 3, the House of Commons might consist of 20 or so remaining MP's, all of which would presumably be considered as doing a good job. If we end up with just one, then what the hell? We have a dictatorship, but at least under a popular bloke (or lady).