(Text removed by MSE Forum Team) The Tories/Liberliars

Gracchus_Babeuf

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

I'm quite prepared to wager that the Tories won't be in Government after May 2015. Their unpopularity will grow in parallel to the lack of growth in this country's GDP. Their policies are probably broadly correct, but it's too fast and too much, more than the average man can bear. I've always thought of myself as a Conservative, but they won't be getting my vote next time.

Well, I'm a social conservative but an economic egalitarian - a very unfashionable combination these days! Until they adopted monetarism I was broadly in favour of conservative policies - if Heath had retained the leadership in 1975 I would probably have backed him against Callaghan - but I could never support Thatcher's brand of conservatism. The trouble is that most of the younger Tories, like Cameron and his cronies, have all been indoctrinated by Thatcherism and are willing to go even further than she did. What saddens me is that the Lib-Dems are so ineffectual in curbing the excesses of the government. I had voted Lib-Dem in the last election, but never again.

Gracchus_Babeuf

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Hopefully it will be another 20 years before they win again :T

Make that 200 years please! If they get back in power in 20 years I'll be 65 and probably have to work until 80 before I can get my pension!! :mad:

Generali

LauraW10 wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

And the jokes keep on coming.....

Do you ever look at the opinion polls? I can't even remember the last time the Tories had a lead over the Labour Party...

Here take a look for yourself

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

I'll grant you, this government is not quite as hated as the Thatcher Government....

Successful political parties survive and they win General Elections.

The Conservatives/Tories have been in existence since the 1680s and have held power for much of the time since Britain became a democracy in the modern sense of the word in the early-mid 1800s (if you don't mind that women couldn't vote, early C20th if you do).

An opinion poll is a snapshot.

PS The 'hated' Thatcher Government won 3 General Elections, 2 of which were by landslides.

Eellogofusciouhipoppokunu

LauraW10 wrote: »

The Tories didn't actually win the last election....the Tories haven't actually won an election since 1992. That's 20 years ago.

Yes, and look what has happened to the economy while they were away! :eek:

Generali

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Well, I'm a social conservative but an economic egalitarian - a very unfashionable combination these days! Until they adopted monetarism I was broadly in favour of conservative policies - if Heath had retained the leadership in 1975 I would probably have backed him against Callaghan - but I could never support Thatcher's brand of conservatism. The trouble is that most of the younger Tories, like Cameron and his cronies, have all been indoctrinated by Thatcherism and are willing to go even further than she did. What saddens me is that the Lib-Dems are so ineffectual in curbing the excesses of the government. I had voted Lib-Dem in the last election, but never again.

TBH I'm the exact opposite but I find your views very interesting and I have 2 questions:

1. Why don't you think the Labour Party represent your beliefs better?
2. Do you see a likelihood that your preferred sort of Conservatism will return to prominence within the Conservative Party?

Moneybot

A._Badger wrote: »

Poor old, headcase... so eaten-up with ideological hatred that his memory of the Bliar decade has been completely erased.

Yes I know some people can't even remember how to spell his name correctly

Gracchus_Babeuf

A._Badger wrote: »

Poor old, headcase... so eaten-up with ideological hatred that his memory of the Bliar decade has been completely erased.

Blair was a Tory in disguise - and the most cynical politician I have ever seen. But even he was better than this government. The trouble is that ideological hatred is only generated by ideological extremes - and the current government are an extreme mix of libertarian-capitalist fanatics. We need a centrist government because this is one that can properly unite the nation. The world tried extremes in the 20th century and it didn't work.

Eellogofusciouhipoppokunu

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Blair was a Tory in disguise - and the most cynical politician I have ever seen. But even he was better than this government. The trouble is that ideological hatred is only generated by ideological extremes - and the current government are an extreme mix of libertarian-capitalist fanatics. We need a centrist government because this is one that can properly unite the nation. The world tried extremes in the 20th century and it didn't work.

Blair is a war criminal, hardly comparable to the current government.

robpw2

i for one can't wait for 2015 when labour form a coalition with the lib dems to take power... and they borrow borrrow borrow borrow more and more money and put us further and further into recession , till they continue to cut things the tory party wanted to cut citing some excuse... take derby for example ... labour got elected in may what have they done so far.....oh yes borrrowed 5 billion to rebuild headquarters, build a velodrome and sack 1300 workers, close adult day centres despite telling us the tory cuts were harsh and unfair and they wouldnt do that .....

ruggedtoast

Whoever you vote for the government always gets in. Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, they are all the same faceless neo-liberal puppets. The system is now too broken to support a middle class so even the lower middle classes get it, not just the workers.

This country needs change, radical change.