(Text removed by MSE Forum Team) The Tories/Liberliars

FTBFun

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Not true. People vote for a party, not a leader. And Darling was a useless idiot - why get him back? Might as well keep the current government. Hardly surprising that Tories like you want the old Blairites back in charge of Labour, so you win whichever party wins the election! :rotfl:

I'm not a Tory btw - only voted for them twice and that was for Boris as London mayor, as a bulwark against Ken Livingstone. I'm a centrist/libertarian really.

I'd prefer "Blairites" as I can't stand the hard left element of Labour - a preference shared by the electorate, going on past evidence.

kabayiri

China should be an example to all.

If you set aside your political dogma viewpoint, it's amazing what collective will pulling in the same direction can achieve.

I don't see any politicians with political backbone here.

Eellogofusciouhipoppokunu

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

The Tories would do anything that their masters in Washington want, and you know it. The issue was never about WMD - that was a pretext - the reason for the war was to prevent Saddam Hussein from being a threat to the security of oil supply, and by implication the US economy.

Exactly, and Blair happily went along with it because he was the US' lapdog.

FTBFun

kabayiri wrote: »

China should be an example to all.

If you set aside your political dogma viewpoint, it's amazing what collective will pulling in the same direction can achieve.

I don't see any politicians with political backbone here.

Having a near-unlimited pool of labour willing to work for sod-all helps too!

ruggedtoast

FTBFun wrote: »

Marxism worked out really well in Eastern Europe, didn't it? Even the Chinese have given up pretty much.

It might not have worked for them, but its damn well going to work for us.

JonnyBravo

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Personally I prefer a system closer to PR as that would represent voters more fairly

So a system which moves towards votes being "worth" equal amounts would clearly be good?

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

You'ver missed the point. A constituency exists to represent a distinct area with a broadly similar social identity - redrawing boundaries arbitrarily will mix towns with countryside and defeat the entire point of having constituencies in the first place. This is just the Tories changing the rules when they lose the game.

:rotfl:
Oh I see. You mean the constituencies which result in Labour winning the seat should continue to have fewer people in them as that kind of bias is ok.

No, I don't think anyone has missed the point but you. You like the bias as it currently stands in Labour's favour. You don't like the Tories so see any move towards a more equal system as a wicked plot by the evil Tory overlords.

Oh I'm sure they will swing it as far in their favour as they can, but your inability to see the unfairness in the other direction is laughable and simply makes your argument puerile.

FTBFun

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It might not have worked for them, but its damn well going to work for us.

Yes, lets make everyone's life's !!!!! apart from a small minority.

Why are you in favour of this?

Gracchus_Babeuf

FTBFun wrote: »

I'm not a Tory btw - only voted for them twice and that was for Boris as London mayor, as a bulwark against Ken Livingstone. I'm a centrist/libertarian really.

I'd prefer "Blairites" as I can't stand the hard left element of Labour - a preference shared by the electorate, going on past evidence.

Libertarian = new Tory

Gracchus_Babeuf

kabayiri wrote: »

China should be an example to all.

If you set aside your political dogma viewpoint, it's amazing what collective will pulling in the same direction can achieve.

I don't see any politicians with political backbone here.

China's economy is faltering - there is evidence that it's dangerously overheating. Already the housing market has burst over there, and worse will follow.

Gracchus_Babeuf

FTBFun wrote: »

Yes, lets make everyone's life's !!!!! apart from a small minority.

Why are you in favour of this?

Isn't that what is happening under the current UK government?