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State workers still enjoy advantage over private employees
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Jamie_Carter wrote: »It may not be the same for all police forces. But from what I understand many people in SOCO are civillian workers working for the police. But the labs that do the real scientific work are private companies.
Its true in England and Wales that the Police Forensic Science Service was closed/outsourced but in Scotland there are still Home Office/Police laboratories. However, not all forensic scientists work for the police. Some are employed on "sensitive" work by the Home Office, HMRC, MOD etc.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »I'm surprised that this pointless thread has gone on for so long. Having worked in the public sector in the past I would say that there have been times when the private sector offered the best pay packages and, more recently, the public sector edged ahead, mostly because of the demise of final salary pensions in the private sector. Now the private sector is beginning to look more attractive, largely as a result of the government changes to pensions and the public sector pay freeze.
What I'm more concerned about is certain privileged occupations that use the public sector as a cash cow - eg. doctors. This needs to change.
My experience of both sectors is much the same. When I worked in the public sector in a professional role people in the private sector often told me that the pension did not compensate for the difference in salary and from the job offers I got at the time this was true. But now the situation is probably the reverse.
What irritates me is the notion that there is a type of person who chooses to work in one sector or the other. Most people I know choose the employer based on the overall package they are offered. There are some people who have a chosen career that gives them relatively little option (eg a police officer or a chemical engineer) but most people just take the best job they can get.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
The fact is they do not, most parts of government are so concerned about information assurance that they block access to such sites. My neighbour works for the Government and he told me their firewall even blocks some other government departments as being unsafe.
The firewall at work actually blocks our own website, which I find quite amusing...0 -
Not read all this but...
From my more rural point of view, I will be giving the government 15k less in revenue this year from my company.
I talk with other self employed in my area and most are way down in revenue, and I expect less in tax contributions too.
The other side of the coin is the teacher friend I have who said his wages are frozen and not happy with "bills" going up" and stuff, and they expect strike action.
Personally I feel that in this "worst" year of the recession that the public sector is going to be more expensive than ever against incomings.
Perhaps another Greece may be on the way!0 -
chewmylegoff wrote: »The firewall at work actually blocks our own website, which I find quite amusing...
Well they say too much knowledge is a dangerous thing. So it's probably been set up by your Health & Safety boys.0 -
The fact is they do not, most parts of government are so concerned about information assurance that they block access to such sites. My neighbour works for the Government and he told me their firewall even blocks some other government departments as being unsafe.
Yes I know that. I can't believe that some people complain about it.0 -
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Originally Posted by paulmapp8306
I agree with the social workers - however those scientists arnt public sector. the government itself does no research. I may be wrong on the last point, but I though the forensic people were privately contracted as well - not public sector.
Thank you AndyL, for demonstrating that paulmapp8306 does indeed not know what he is talking about.
There are quite a few more government scientists on Salisbury Plain (read the corporate plan on the same site). The Met Office, British Antarctic Survey, Health Protection Agency, Hydrographic Office all employ government scientists. The Forensic Science Service is now closed but there are forensic scientists directly employed by other government laboratories.
He was talking about forensic scientists, carrying out work for the police.0 -
Its true in England and Wales that the Police Forensic Science Service was closed/outsourced but in Scotland there are still Home Office/Police laboratories. However, not all forensic scientists work for the police. Some are employed on "sensitive" work by the Home Office, HMRC, MOD etc.
Yes, but were weren't talking about those.0 -
Jamie_Carter wrote: »Yes, but were weren't talking about those.
If you bothered to look I mentioned foresnic science in the first place and I did not confine myself to England and Wales.
I really do not care if these jobs are done in the public or private sector but the orginal point was an assertion that those working for the civil service were all pen pushers whereas a good many are professional people like scientists, engineers, actuaries and accountants which is why the original statistic purporting to show that the public sector is paid more than the private sector is so wilfully misleading.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Really? I'm sure I've provided links to it in the past on these sort of threads, here they are again
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/public-and-private-sector-earnings/2011/rep-public-and-private-sector-earnings.html
http://www.incomesdata.co.uk/areas-of-expertise/pay-reward/private-public-sector-earnings.pdf
To be fair, when you drill down into the underlying documents these do show that public sector is higher skilled than the private sector, whilst graduates in the private sector earn more than in the public. However, with the pay comparisons it is not clear if they are just taking salary into account or if it is total remuneration including pensions. It is also not clear how they are assessing what a "high skilled" job is since they refer to IT support as high skilled it is quite difficult to take their categorisations seriously.
The overall conclusion appeared to e that any comparison is meaningless, which is probably right...0
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