State workers still enjoy advantage over private employees

Jamie_Carter

paulmapp8306 wrote: »

I agree with the social workers - however those scientists arnt public sector. the government itself does no research. I may be wrong on the last point, but I though the forensic people were privately contracted as well - not public sector.

It may not be the same for all police forces. But from what I understand many people in SOCO are civillian workers working for the police. But the labs that do the real scientific work are private companies.

Jamie_Carter

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Of course they are but they aren't equivalent jobs. Since I have been approached by big 4 accountancy firms, magic circle law firms and investment banks all specifically trying to hire forensic accountants with litigation experience, I know what my exact role pays in the private sector and it's significantly less.

Well if that is true, then your job is an exception to the rule.

I would keep quiet about it if I were you, otherwise you could be subject to the next round of public sector cuts.

Jamie_Carter

Andy_L wrote: »

Forensics are on the verge of being contracted out/privitised

And there are going to be many cut backs. A friend of mine is losing her job in forensics.

chewmylegoff

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Well if that is true, then your job is an exception to the rule.

I would keep quiet about it if I were you, otherwise you could be subject to the next round of public sector cuts.

a rule without any supporting evidence, a bit like the meme that is developing that average public sector pay is higher than private sector pay due to the higher concentration of "highly skilled professionals" in the public sector, never seen any numbers to back that up, just a bit of rhetoric about bin collection being privatised.

i don't think higher public sector pay is confined to my job in isolation. there are other roles within my organisation where pay is higher here, and in my experience (which includes auditing the payrolls of probably 100 different SMEs during the period when I trained, and line managing staff in the public sector) e.g. general admin roles seem to be better paid in the public sector than in the private.

Andy_L

chewmylegoff wrote: »

a rule without any supporting evidence, a bit like the meme that is developing that average public sector pay is higher than private sector pay due to the higher concentration of "highly skilled professionals" in the public sector, never seen any numbers to back that up, just a bit of rhetoric about bin collection being privatised.

Really? I'm sure I've provided links to it in the past on these sort of threads, here they are again

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/public-and-private-sector-earnings/2011/rep-public-and-private-sector-earnings.html

http://www.incomesdata.co.uk/areas-of-expertise/pay-reward/private-public-sector-earnings.pdf

Gracchus_Babeuf

I'm surprised that this pointless thread has gone on for so long. Having worked in the public sector in the past I would say that there have been times when the private sector offered the best pay packages and, more recently, the public sector edged ahead, mostly because of the demise of final salary pensions in the private sector. Now the private sector is beginning to look more attractive, largely as a result of the government changes to pensions and the public sector pay freeze.

What I'm more concerned about is certain privileged occupations that use the public sector as a cash cow - eg. doctors. This needs to change.

Jamie_Carter

chewmylegoff wrote: »

a rule without any supporting evidence, a bit like the meme that is developing that average public sector pay is higher than private sector pay due to the higher concentration of "highly skilled professionals" in the public sector, never seen any numbers to back that up, just a bit of rhetoric about bin collection being privatised.

i don't think higher public sector pay is confined to my job in isolation. there are other roles within my organisation where pay is higher here, and in my experience (which includes auditing the payrolls of probably 100 different SMEs during the period when I trained, and line managing staff in the public sector) e.g. general admin roles seem to be better paid in the public sector than in the private.

I'm sorry, but I would have thought that an accountant would have the intelligence to work this one out.

People have told you on here that the equivalent to their job in the private sector is higher paid. Yet you are just going by what you are paid.

General admin jobs in the public sector are very low paid when you do a direct comparrison with job role and responsibility.

Most of the low paid jobs in the public sector have now been contracted out. So in most public sector premises you will find that cooks and cleaners, as well as many other jobs are now done by private contractors. In fact in many local authorities payroll and pensions have also been contracted out. In fact the list can go on and on, including refuse collection, housing, and in fact G4S also supply many hospital staff.

So like I said, your days of high pay are probably numbered.

Jamie_Carter

Andy_L wrote: »

Really? I'm sure I've provided links to it in the past on these sort of threads, here they are again

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/public-and-private-sector-earnings/2011/rep-public-and-private-sector-earnings.html

http://www.incomesdata.co.uk/areas-of-expertise/pay-reward/private-public-sector-earnings.pdf

Yes, but he chooses to ignore those.

BobQ

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

And rightly so.

Why should the tax payer pay people to spend all day on social networking sites?

The fact is they do not, most parts of government are so concerned about information assurance that they block access to such sites. My neighbour works for the Government and he told me their firewall even blocks some other government departments as being unsafe.

BobQ

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Originally Posted by paulmapp8306
I agree with the social workers - however those scientists arnt public sector. the government itself does no research. I may be wrong on the last point, but I though the forensic people were privately contracted as well - not public sector.

Andy_L wrote: »

You are mistaken
https://www.dstl.gov.uk/supporttooperations

"Dstl scientists and analysts are directly deployed on operations to provide direct support to commanders. During 2011 around 18 scientists were deployed on operations at any one time"

Forensics are on the verge of being contracted out/privitised

Thank you AndyL, for demonstrating that paulmapp8306 does indeed not know what he is talking about.

There are quite a few more government scientists on Salisbury Plain (read the corporate plan on the same site). The Met Office, British Antarctic Survey, Health Protection Agency, Hydrographic Office all employ government scientists. The Forensic Science Service is now closed but there are forensic scientists directly employed by other government laboratories.