Kleeneze Agents Ignore Door Signs Again!

geerex

vinnie01 wrote: »

If you want to see a what many people mean by training people to ignore these signs. I learned about the forum rules when trying to post a screenshot when trying to see if this particular video taught agents to disobey these signs and it does.

This you tube video is titled
Kleeneze Training Webinar 1 - Getting Started - April 2014.
by Chris Smith. I have actually seen him at the show case as a guest speaker.

Skip to 16:06 and stop the video to see the presentation section mentioned below

Section titled Delivering the catalog
Where it says to deliver to every house underneath it says
-Don't Pre-Judge
-DO deliver to "No Cold Callers" "No Junk Mail" [sic]
-Apart from Flats with Bulk Letter Boxes

Seems that multiple groups teach the same thing. I am not in his group at all.

Also I notice how pushy the sponsors can be, I will only take so much before I have ago or tell them where to go.
How much they dislike a certain agent as there is a certain lad who lives not far from my kitchen work place who is disliked by a lot of people in my group. This lad has got himself in to debt on this job and had warned me at 1 point about keeping up with the payments of the credit or interests at 8% is charged on late payments.

I asked these people why he is a problem They said "He has been known to upset many people even his customers" "Having I am a better than you attitude" He is also in to computers too but he does not understand the stuff I know about computers. He was criticised for going on about computers to various people or talks too much in general. I even over heard my sponsor calling him a tight gt for not buying himself a breakfast before attending the showcase.
Strange thing him coming back with us one point he was extremely quiet in my sponsor's car. I thought I am a quiet one due to my ways especially after attending a big event. In fact he fell sleep.

I have questioned some people this attitude of delivering to doors with signs at the show case and very interesting thing is that how they say it, which is very similar to other people from other groups.

"We have good/best customers in these homes". As if they are regurgitating anything something very high is saying to them as if it is a cult. I don't exactly know where that kind of statement actually started but I don't think its group related.
I don't agree with that being best customers with those doors some people actually put up signs after few rounds as I have noticed before.
I do accept that is quite rude to post to the doors regardless of these signs present.
There is no need for multiple people doing the same area I believe this is what angers many people in 1st place.

Quote "I imagine one of these catalogue-hawking jobs could be soul destroying. Unless you have the sensitivity of a plank. " I never understood why it is called "hawking". I thought these were totally different kind of people ie TV License officers for instant. Many people will say a lot of low paid jobs are soul destroying especially the Kitchen Job which is probley why I am very strict and does not put up with cr4p at work. After multiple failed attempts looking for jobs in computing regardless of self taught computer knowledge as well college qualifications I got turned away because of no commercial experience.

I find it interesting how people come up with stories about Job losses in Kleeneze meetings and how they lost on everything in a normal job. I started to question what if Kleeneze itself went bust would that not do the same thing as been sacked or made redundant from a job. Many people that spoke at the show cases seems to come from an IT job. The up line in my group says he was a Chef.

Before I came across Kleeneze I never heard of Network Marketing or Multi Level Marketing but I knew of Kleeneze because my parents uses them. I never actually bought from them when one came through my door same goes with Avon. However I do have people in family who did Avon before.

This is either a very elaborate attempt at trolling or the doorstep catalogue fantasies of a fourteen year old. I refuse to believe that anyone could have left school with such a poor knowledge of the English language.

Lily-Rose_3

I normally get annoyed when people on here have a go at somebody venting, (as that is what the board is for!!!) But this time it does seem to be justified.

How can anyone get annoyed by the agents from Kleeneze/Betterware/Avon etc? All they do is leave their catalogue, and then come get it back; they don't even knock, they just take it off the doorstep - which is where you're supposed to leave it, and where they ask you leave it. There's no hounding or harassing; at least I have never experienced it.

I get the catalogue with a little note saying 'Hi, my name is Debra, I am your Kleeneze agent. I will pick up your catalogue on Wednesday. For convenience, would you be so kind as to leave the catalogue on the doorstep in the airtight, sealable package it's enclosed in now.'

Something like that.

Then if you do order, they give a date for when they are going to deliver.

So the upshot is that they leave the catalogue, and ask you to leave it on the doorstep; there's no knocking or hounding or harassing. I don't see the problem here.

These people have better things to do than spend ages on a doorstep trying to keep people talking all day; they have 100s more people to get around. Also, the Avon lady (in my experience,) usually tries someone around 5 or 6 times, and then stops if they never buy anything, and just calls at the people who do buy sometimes.

I can imagine Trading Standards being very irked by this rather pointless complaint.

reehsetin

They're giving you an obligation (to look after their catalog and return it/leave it for them) which I have no interest in. It's irritating. it's a waste of paper that people should not have to deal with if they don't want to. You can opt out of cold calls and do what you can to combat junk mail. I just don't want catalogs cluttering up my doorstep. It's ESPECIALLY unfair when people have been clear that they're not interested in cold-callers (as someone mentioned previously, they are definitely cold callers when they've had no prior relationship with them nor any interest of a relationship with them).

Nodding_Donkey

I quite like looking at the catalogue sometimes. It gives you ideas of what to look for on Ebay.

NeverInDebt

If companies choose to be selective on how they interpret no cold calling signs on people's doors, then face the wrath of the householder or have there property disposed of when its put through there door. Then as far as am I concerned they deserve it and good on them. My catalogue goes straight in bin and anyone coming to door flogging out is told in no uncertain terms I am not interested, thank you and I shut the door.

No one wants a unsightly sign on there door. they do it because they fed up of people coming to there door flogging or put crap in there letterboxes.

Leave people alone. Many people have busy lives and come home and want to have a proper family life or relax and chill out not have to be pestered either at door or on phone.

I have respect for those who want to improve there lives and earn extra cash but dont do it at the expense of pestering people at home, get a proper part time job working at a bar, supermarket or whatever suits you.

NeverInDebt

I agree with your post. But some people walk around with rose tinted specs, sold a dream that they can have a nice car, holidays when the reality is very few will and most probably those at the top of the MLM will, but not them.

reehsetin wrote: »

They're giving you an obligation (to look after their catalog and return it/leave it for them) which I have no interest in. It's irritating. it's a waste of paper that people should not have to deal with if they don't want to. You can opt out of cold calls and do what you can to combat junk mail. I just don't want catalogs cluttering up my doorstep. It's ESPECIALLY unfair when people have been clear that they're not interested in cold-callers (as someone mentioned previously, they are definitely cold callers when they've had no prior relationship with them nor any interest of a relationship with them).

geerex

NeverInDebt wrote: »

If companies choose to be selective on how they interpret no cold calling signs on people's doors, then face the wrath of the householder or have there property disposed of when its put through there door. Then as far as am I concerned they deserve it and good on them. My catalogue goes straight in bin and anyone coming to door flogging out is told in no uncertain terms I am not interested, thank you and I shut the door.

No one wants a unsightly sign on there door. they do it because they fed up of people coming to there door flogging or put crap in there letterboxes.

Leave people alone. Many people have busy lives and come home and want to have a proper family life or relax and chill out not have to be pestered either at door or on phone.

I have respect for those who want to improve there lives and earn extra cash but dont do it at the expense of pestering people at home, get a proper part time job working at a bar, supermarket or whatever suits you.

Good god, can you PLEASE learn the difference between "there" and "there"? It's really not difficult and will lend credence to your posts.

Pollycat

geerex wrote: »

Good god, can you PLEASE learn the difference between "there" and "there"? It's really not difficult and will lend credence to your posts.

IS there a difference between "there" and "there"?

I can't see one.

Johnnytwostep

Pollycat wrote: »

IS there a difference between "there" and "there"?

I can't see one.

I find that its important too make sure you're post is 110% free off imperfections before having a go at other's.

lincroft1710

Johnnytwostep wrote: »

I find that its important too make sure you're post is 110% free off imperfections before having a go at other's.

Haha.........