Kleeneze Agents Ignore Door Signs Again!

vinnie01

Well I haven't done it for long (4 months) which is technically on trial for me.

Categorizing people as ploppers or whatever is something I do and not the company. Considering we live in world full of labels. Well TV licensing are not any different calling Non TV viewers as "Evaders"

Due to amounts of people getting annoyed at the distributors for ignoring the signs. People with these signs are not worth my time. Ignoring the Junk mail signs or We do not buy and sell at doors is something I don't do. As far as my concern people that have the signs on the door can buy it themselves elsewhere. If you told many Kleeneze staff that they would often reply you will get best customers using these doors, I find that is not always true although I have a couple of customers from doors with this sign from earlier in the months. I only started to enforce this type of thinking due to amounts of people who said they binned because it was junk. I don't change my way very easily either once I have set it. This may no longer be a case if I decide to quit it. However people who probley take over my routes will post to them.

I am very close to quitting it anyway because I question the job itself and I am questioning everything each day on the job. A lot of things is causing doubts with the job, modern way of selling, socially engineered people, it takes a lot of time up too. Also another thing that comes to my doubts is how much Kleeneze may make off from Sales Aid as some of their equipment I notice breaks quite easily and need replacing often especially the trolly as the wheels do come off and is about £20. Also another thing I have encountered is other Distributors taking each other catalogs as a home owner reported someone taking one of mine and described him when I was away from town for a day.

Also when people gets you to set goals they automatically assume you will do that. The town I come from many people has said the sale rates are not very good compared to other towns, those who travel to other towns actually have cars. I don't drive at all and always did it by walking. As a long distant walker myself I like to walk miles. I think what I will need to do is look at the all the invoices and calculate the customer sales excluding the ones I bought to boost bonuses, for self or as presents. To see how much I really do make off customers a month.


Also replacing lost books after the 30 day challenge I had no more request for a box of 50 free catalogs which will mean paying out £29 for more if they got wet, lost or whatever.

Another issues I have with this job is face book selling. I don't use face book nor I like the idea of it. I don't particularly like to be pressured in to using such stupid site.

I have even encountered Ex-Reps warning about stuff.

All I can say I tried it and it does not really feel right someone who is not exactly a people person. I already have 1 kitchen job anyway and I think doing two jobs may lead to workaholic ways as I have been warned before about working like that. Although the Kitchen job only pays for the bills and not much more which is why I took this job on.

So I will jack it in and go back to hobbyist computer programming as I am not a social person anyway due to expenses of socialising. Far as my concern many people can do one.

Although this job has made me meet people from school.

Stevie_Palimo

vinnie01 wrote: »

Well I haven't done it for long (4 months) which is technically on trial for me.

Categorizing people as ploppers or whatever is something I do and not the company. Considering we live in world full of labels. Well TV licensing are not any different calling Non TV viewers as "Evaders"

Due to amounts of people getting annoyed at the distributors for ignoring the signs. People with these signs are not worth my time. Ignoring the Junk mail signs or We do not buy and sell at doors is something I don't do. As far as my concern people that have the signs on the door can buy it themselves elsewhere. If you told many Kleeneze staff that they would often reply you will get best customers using these doors, I find that is not always true although I have a couple of customers from doors with this sign from earlier in the months. I only started to enforce this type of thinking due to amounts of people who said they binned because it was junk. I don't change my way very easily either once I have set it. This may no longer be a case if I decide to quit it. However people who probley take over my routes will post to them.

I am very close to quitting it anyway because I question the job itself and I am questioning everything each day on the job. A lot of things is causing doubts with the job, modern way of selling, socially engineered people, it takes a lot of time up too. Also another thing that comes to my doubts is how much Kleeneze may make off from Sales Aid as some of their equipment I notice breaks quite easily and need replacing often especially the trolly as the wheels do come off and is about £20. Also another thing I have encountered is other Distributors taking each other catalogs as a home owner reported someone taking one of mine and described him when I was away from town for a day.

Also when people gets you to set goals they automatically assume you will do that. The town I come from many people has said the sale rates are not very good compared to other towns, those who travel to other towns actually have cars. I don't drive at all and always did it by walking. As a long distant walker myself I like to walk miles. I think what I will need to do is look at the all the invoices and calculate the customer sales excluding the ones I bought to boost bonuses, for self or as presents. To see how much I really do make off customers a month.


Also replacing lost books after the 30 day challenge I had no more request for a box of 50 free catalogs which will mean paying out £29 for more if they got wet, lost or whatever.

Another issues I have with this job is face book selling. I don't use face book nor I like the idea of it. I don't particularly like to be pressured in to using such stupid site.

I have even encountered Ex-Reps warning about stuff.

All I can say I tried it and it does not really feel right someone who is not exactly a people person. I already have 1 kitchen job anyway and I think doing two jobs may lead to workaholic ways as I have been warned before about working like that. Although the Kitchen job only pays for the bills and not much more which is why I took this job on.

So I will jack it in and go back to hobbyist computer programming as I am not a social person anyway due to expenses of socialising. Far as my concern many people can do one.

Although this job has made me meet people from school.

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That has made my day, It is all plastic tat anyway and I do not know why people would want this rubbish in there homes that is mass produced in China and has arrogant individuals who ignore requests to stop posting the rubbish through your door.


I do throw them at them when I see the guys posting to my home with a word much like duck you.

Lube

Its a pity that they dont go under rather than there distributors who sell crap dont pester people at home

Pound shops give far better value

Chuck there crap catalogues in bin they soon get message

geerex wrote: »

It's a pity that Kleeneze don't sell dictionaries, isn't it?

Antispam

Once you put that rubbish catalogue in my door it goes straight in the bin no discussion about it, no chase rep up street to give it back, no left on my doorstep for days only to find they never come back which is always where I live. I never buy at door, never buy from cold callers

vinnie01

I will just go back to being a hobbyist Programmer, I learned trying to work with people is a waste of my time and energy in any jobs and better off working alone. In the Kitchen Job I just go there do my job and go home and I don't deal with customers directly thankfully.

I don't think I will ever pick a Retail or a Marketing (Network or normal) job again, never interested me in school and still doesn't now even after trying. These sorts jobs can really shove it where the sun does not shine as far as my concern. Dealing with other people is not my speciality anyway.

I think if the person who mentioned a job offer actually mentioned Kleeneze while on the bus. I probley would of refused her because I don't see retail selling jobs are my line of interests and were considered as krap. She never mentioned Kleeneze until she showed me the training video. Apparantly many distributors don't come under the same group and does not get training but often given the books and told to get on with it.

Quote "That has made my day, It is all plastic tat anyway and I do not know why people would want this rubbish in there homes that is mass produced in China and has arrogant individuals who ignore requests to stop posting the rubbish through your door."

Are you sure it is in China and not India? I think the Kleeneze man is Indian. Unless you are talking about the products.

vinnie01

Vind wrote: »

The main reason Kleeneze distributors keep delivering to people with notices on their doors, is because they are told to ignore them in their training, they are told they don't apply to them, Myself and my partner raised this issue with our sponsor, saying that if people don't want junk mail its their choice..he then spewed out all this tripe about averages and that even people with notices on their doors buy from Kleeneze , we never delivered to people with notices on their doors especially O.A.P's.

My advice is write a note put it in the bag saying you dont want anymore, and that should anymore be posted they wont be put out, since the distributor has to pay for the catalogs they will cross you off their list.

Its not really the distributors fault most don't question what they are told by their sponsors (Trainer) they are told to stick to the system. we got out because we found their methods cult like and to be honest a scam.

Who was your group? As I became aware many of these kind of people come under different groups or none at all.

Was yours Vista imagine group or similar?

I do understand what mean by the signs are said not to apply to them because they say it is not junk mail. However when I have question the up line about this. He did say I quote his words "You will find many good customers with these signs or even the best".

Same goes to cold caller signs too. Quote "We are technically not cold callers" according to my up line.

Also doors with signs saying We do not buy and sell at the door. I only met 1 person who actually said that and I do respect her for not being a hypocrite.

The naming of stuff i.e. the Kleeneze Plops (Rejected Catalogs almost streight away).
Also they call really rude or grumpy people "Victor Meldew" warning new distributors will encounter them.

Have you ever attended their big events like the rally or show case?

I realise retail is more hassle than it worth.
All the jobs I had were factory or kitchen.

However regarding the Job center they do have some door 2 door leafleting jobs and etc if you search them up. I thought they wont advertise for it.

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vinnie01 wrote: »

Who was your group? As I became aware many of these kind of people come under different groups or none at all.

Was yours Vista imagine group or similar?

I do understand what mean by the signs are said not to apply to them because they say it is not junk mail. However when I have question the up line about this. He did say I quote his words "You will find many good customers with these signs or even the best".

Same goes to cold caller signs too. Quote "We are technically not cold callers" according to my up line.

Also doors with signs saying We do not buy and sell at the door. I only met 1 person who actually said that and I do respect her for not being a hypocrite.

The naming of stuff i.e. the Kleeneze Plops (Rejected Catalogs almost streight away).
Also they call really rude or grumpy people "Victor Meldew" warning new distributors will encounter them.

Have you ever attended their big events like the rally or show case?

I realise retail is more hassle than it worth.
All the jobs I had were factory or kitchen.

However regarding the Job center they do have some door 2 door leafleting jobs and etc if you search them up. I thought they wont advertise for it.

TBagpuss

I do understand what mean by the signs are said not to apply to them because they say it is not junk mail. However when I have question the up line about this. He did say I quote his words "You will find many good customers with these signs or even the best".

Same goes to cold caller signs too. Quote "We are technically not cold callers" according to my up line.

Of cpurse the signs apply to you/them.

The very difinition of cold calling is calling (in person or by phone) people who have not asked you to do so. Spo unless someone has contacted Kleneeze and said 'please send me a seller / catalogue' then turning up with one is cold -calling.

Same with junk mail. Unless I have a pre-exisiting business or person relationship with you/your organisation, or have asked for material to be sent to me then it is junk mail.

when I moved house, the first time I got a catalogue I put it out with a note saying I am not interested and don't want any further catalogues. After that, they go straight in the bin / recycling.

Even if I was at home when it was dropped off, I would not open the door or follow you to give it back.

I don't currently have a 'no sales' sign on my door as I don't get a lot of door-to-doors, but any organisation whose representative ignores one when I do have one goes straight on my 'never buy from / support again' list because that is incredibly rude.

thistledome

vinnie01, I hope you find a worthwhile job one day that interests you and pays your bills.

I imagine one of these catalogue-hawking jobs could be soul destroying. Unless you have the sensitivity of a plank.

vinnie01

If you want to see a what many people mean by training people to ignore these signs. I learned about the forum rules when trying to post a screenshot when trying to see if this particular video taught agents to disobey these signs and it does.

This you tube video is titled
Kleeneze Training Webinar 1 - Getting Started - April 2014.
by Chris Smith. I have actually seen him at the show case as a guest speaker.

Skip to 16:06 and stop the video to see the presentation section mentioned below

Section titled Delivering the catalog
Where it says to deliver to every house underneath it says
-Don't Pre-Judge
-DO deliver to "No Cold Callers" "No Junk Mail" [sic]
-Apart from Flats with Bulk Letter Boxes

Seems that multiple groups teach the same thing. I am not in his group at all.

Also I notice how pushy the sponsors can be, I will only take so much before I have ago or tell them where to go.
How much they dislike a certain agent as there is a certain lad who lives not far from my kitchen work place who is disliked by a lot of people in my group. This lad has got himself in to debt on this job and had warned me at 1 point about keeping up with the payments of the credit or interests at 8% is charged on late payments.

I asked these people why he is a problem They said "He has been known to upset many people even his customers" "Having I am a better than you attitude" He is also in to computers too but he does not understand the stuff I know about computers. He was criticised for going on about computers to various people or talks too much in general. I even over heard my sponsor calling him a tight gt for not buying himself a breakfast before attending the showcase.
Strange thing him coming back with us one point he was extremely quiet in my sponsor's car. I thought I am a quiet one due to my ways especially after attending a big event. In fact he fell sleep.

I have questioned some people this attitude of delivering to doors with signs at the show case and very interesting thing is that how they say it, which is very similar to other people from other groups.

"We have good/best customers in these homes". As if they are regurgitating anything something very high is saying to them as if it is a cult. I don't exactly know where that kind of statement actually started but I don't think its group related.
I don't agree with that being best customers with those doors some people actually put up signs after few rounds as I have noticed before.
I do accept that is quite rude to post to the doors regardless of these signs present.
There is no need for multiple people doing the same area I believe this is what angers many people in 1st place.

Quote "I imagine one of these catalogue-hawking jobs could be soul destroying. Unless you have the sensitivity of a plank. " I never understood why it is called "hawking". I thought these were totally different kind of people ie TV License officers for instant. Many people will say a lot of low paid jobs are soul destroying especially the Kitchen Job which is probley why I am very strict and does not put up with cr4p at work. After multiple failed attempts looking for jobs in computing regardless of self taught computer knowledge as well college qualifications I got turned away because of no commercial experience.

I find it interesting how people come up with stories about Job losses in Kleeneze meetings and how they lost on everything in a normal job. I started to question what if Kleeneze itself went bust would that not do the same thing as been sacked or made redundant from a job. Many people that spoke at the show cases seems to come from an IT job. The up line in my group says he was a Chef.

Before I came across Kleeneze I never heard of Network Marketing or Multi Level Marketing but I knew of Kleeneze because my parents uses them. I never actually bought from them when one came through my door same goes with Avon. However I do have people in family who did Avon before.