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Benefits and dog breeding

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  • What a load of tosh - there is no way you'll have entered your young dog into one champ show at the cost of £25 for a Championship Certificate entry and on her one and only go put her in the 'open' class. The claim that she won the CC shows you know absolutely nothing. You would also have known the rules for Crufts qualification and not be making up some rubbish. 'Best Open' is not a term used in showing. To suggest you'll be giving the pups away is, again, a complete lie. Do some research before you try and sell pups for a quick buck - pugs do not whelp easily and it recommended you try and get your dam hermivertebrae checked.
    Stop trying to earn quick money from back yard breeding and get a job.
  • Gotta love MSE. Someone asks one money related question and then gets slated for something else!

    My 2p as a dog lover is that I can quite see why someone would want to have a litter with their female (can't use the obvious word lol) dog. I don't think there are many people who haven't at some point considered breeding one litter to have a relative of their beloved pet.

    1) If pugs are popular then there are likely to be homes easily found for the pups so that isn't too irresponsible.

    2) Op has the support of a more experienced friend which is how a lot of breeders started out so that's a good thing as well.

    3) Research has been done on vet costs and the Op can afford it.

    4) Litters do cost more in time, outlay etc than first timers realise. Divide the profit by the fact that having to be there for hours and hours a day feeding, socialising, watching pups so you know their characters, playing with pups and getting them used to home noises, plus all of the phone calls and time wasters and people wanting to come and play with 'their' pup, vet visits etc etc and the profit for the 8 weeks starts to look small!
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  • I hope to god that this wannabe backyard breeder changed her mind and put her dog's welfare - and indeed ALL canine welfare - first.

    She asked one of the respondents what business it was of theirs why she was considering backyard breeding. I can't speak for that person but I can give her my own answer... it's EVERY bit of my business as I'm one of the poor s-ds who spends almost every bit of her spare time as a rescuer trying to sort out the problems and heartache that backyard breeders like her cause.

    And for many dogs, it's simply not enough. There just aren't enough rescue spaces and neither are there enough homes. A dog which is picked up as a stray and taken to a council-funded pound can be killed after 7 days. If he's handed in by his owner he can be killed immediately. Sadly so many ARE killed in council pounds, hundreds each month across the country, in small pounds ran by breeders and big ones like Battersea, Manchester, Cheshire and Birmingham "Dogs Homes".

    All people like Gemma do is add to the slaughter.
  • pipkin71
    pipkin71 Posts: 21,821 Forumite
    edited 23 December 2012 at 1:07AM
    When looking in our local dog's home for a second dog to join our first, it was really sad to see the number of Staffordshire bull terriers all looking for a new home - from young ones to older dogs.

    To think many will be put down because they cannot be rehomed is heartbreaking :(
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  • Heycock
    Heycock Posts: 1,359 Forumite
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    Remember... a dog isn't just for christmas. If you get one big enough you'll have enough left over for Boxing Day and then use the bones for a good stock which can be used for a casserole of rabbit (domestic is more tender than wild), guinea pig or hamster....lots of small bones but very tasty.
    If you can afford to keep a smelly, disease ridden canine !!!! machine you clearly don't need benefits. Amazing how many people on the so called breadline can afford a stinking mutt.
  • The PDSA will not provide free treatment to breeders, by the way - if you were thinking of them providing veterinary care.

    This could wipe out your entire profit, even if there are survivors from an emergency section.
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  • Bryando
    Bryando Posts: 1,464 Forumite
    KC registered dog usually means so much in breeding you are better off with a mixed breed. As for crufts..... Sad .

    Their should be a dog licence in this country. One for having a dog and another to breed even if that means one litter.

    All dogs must be castrated until the likes of the RSPCA and SSPCA say we don't have more dogs than homes.
  • I hope to god that this wannabe backyard breeder changed her mind and put her dog's welfare - and indeed ALL canine welfare - first.

    She asked one of the respondents what business it was of theirs why she was considering backyard breeding. I can't speak for that person but I can give her my own answer... it's EVERY bit of my business as I'm one of the poor s-ds who spends almost every bit of her spare time as a rescuer trying to sort out the problems and heartache that backyard breeders like her cause.

    And for many dogs, it's simply not enough. There just aren't enough rescue spaces and neither are there enough homes. A dog which is picked up as a stray and taken to a council-funded pound can be killed after 7 days. If he's handed in by his owner he can be killed immediately. Sadly so many ARE killed in council pounds, hundreds each month across the country, in small pounds ran by breeders and big ones like Battersea, Manchester, Cheshire and Birmingham "Dogs Homes".

    All people like Gemma do is add to the slaughter.

    Does nobody possess a sense of proportion these days? Mass hysteria over a simple question!
  • Kimberley
    Kimberley Posts: 14,871 Forumite
    Gemma, you say you want to let your dog have a litter next year because you want to but what about the dog has she a choice? Why not just have her spayed and enjoy her rather then putting her through something that could potentially be fatal to her. Many small dogs have died giving birth and many more have to have cesareans because their bodies are too small to cope with it. If you love your dog please get her spayed for her sake. If you want another Pug i'm sure one will crop up in a rescue centre. If you were a registered breeder then fair enough but your not and I fear that you are going to put your dog at risk.
  • bloomingflower
    bloomingflower Posts: 799 Forumite
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    edited 23 December 2012 at 11:00PM
    Does nobody possess a sense of proportion these days? Mass hysteria over a simple question!


    Yes, I agree with you CharmCaster. Gemma, the OP only came on here to do just that. To ask a simple question,only to be scared away from posts like raphaelangelo's.

    She last posted on this thread nearly 4 months ago!.

    I wouldn't blame her if she didn't come back!

    I have read the whole of this thread and I understand where she is coming from.

    However,its a pity that other posters on here don't bother or even care to read all her posts so that they can get a better insight as to what her original question was all about!

    They read one or two posts on the last page,miss out page 1,2 and 3 etc and think they can just jump in and give their two penneth for what it's worth and upset the OP in the process. Unbelievable.

    I have just come over after reading another thread started by 4390evans. She is another poster in much need of help and advice but some posters have also done the same thing to her! Nevertheless, all credit to the ones who have offered her practical help. There are a hell of a lot of families struggling this time of year and if I lived near her I would do the same. Is this what Christmas should be all about? Helping one another? A tiny bit of empathy and compassion goes a long way and will mean a lot to someone in need of help.

    Anyhow, we now live in a judgemental society and it's every man for himself these days.Very sad. x
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