The end of Council Tax Benefit!

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princessdon wrote: »

I posted on the "discussion forum" thread that they do appear to be mixing up "vulnerable" with disposable income.

Those who are classed as vulnerable have more disposable income than those who aren't. So a family with young children and or disabilities will not be affected and have a much higher income than a singleton or couple on JSA. I can't see how someone on £56 pw can pay this.

It will also be a postcode lottery. Eg you can live opposite someone who doesn't charge and you are charged.

But I think every one should cnontribute - I just personally don't feel comfortable with someone who has only £56 paying say £10.

Sometimes though that person is also getting housing benefit and council tax benefit so in reality that can be on almost as someone on miminum wage working full time.

Do those single working for minimum wage get help with their Council Tax?

princessdon

Spamfree wrote: »

Sometimes though that person is also getting housing benefit and council tax benefit so in reality that can be on almost as someone on miminum wage working full time.

Do those single working for minimum wage get help with their Council Tax?

Indeed I would say ALL will (if living alone), but still £56 pw - under 25 isn't a lot to pay gas, electricity, food and job hunt.

Meanwhile - as you see on here someone on say (using the example yesterday) £170 pw (IS and IB) PLUS DLA - won't pay because they are vulnerable.

CTC have made a none working mother pretty comfortable - but again they can be classed as vulnerable.

I'd say a % age of CASH benefits for all would be fairer - so those who get more cash benefits pay.

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gregbythesea wrote: »

so the two of us, no kids, one over 65 one on sick benefit and one on state pension, both disabled, one gets DLA and the other AA would have no problem in telling the bailiffs to do one.

Hey I'm vulnerable!!

And very well provided for by the taxpayers by the looks of it.

Sixer

Spamfree wrote: »

Sometimes though that person is also getting housing benefit and council tax benefit so in reality that can be on almost as someone on miminum wage working full time.

Do those single working for minimum wage get help with their Council Tax?

The majority of LHA/HB and CTB claimants/recipients are in work. A minority are in workless households.

annie1975_2

Spamfree wrote: »

And very well provided for by the taxpayers by the looks of it.

Maybe worked all their lives as well..And paid a lot in taxes themselves.

Murphymycat

Irn-Bru-Kid wrote: »

But he doesn't receive £71.00 per week. He receives around £86.00 housing benefit and no doubt council tax benefit of say approx £20.00 per week. So his total weekly benefits is around £177.00 - £9204.00 pa.

A person working full time on the minimum wage takes home around £10900 pa after tax.

This is where the problem lies. Why should someone work full time and be less than £2k a year better off than someone who doesn't work?

Wouldn't someone on the minimum wage also be entitled to benefits?

People keep forgetting that a lot of people getting CTB and/or HB are actually working

fatbelly

Dunroamin wrote: »

£71 isn't a great deal but it's perfectly adequate for a single person who has rent and CT paid for as well.

But if the rent becomes subject to a top-up and the council tax support only covers 75%, something has to give.

So do you not pay the rent, or not pay the council tax, or not put money in the electricity meter? Or not eat every day?

Murphymycat

Murphymycat wrote: »

Wouldn't someone on the minimum wage also be entitled to benefits?

People keep forgetting that a lot of people getting CTB and/or HB are actually working

Also what a lot of people forget or do not know is that many claimants of Hb/LHA renting privately do not get the full amount of their rent and have to top it up out of their JSA.

suburbanwifey

This is not going to be a popular opinion I am sure, but I don't agree with a lot of sectors paying council tax. I have a high income and the amount of income tax and national insurance that goes out of our income each week is more than a lot of people get gross!

Then on top of that we have to pay council tax. I think the Govt. take WAY TOO MUCH off people like me. I also don't think people on benefits like some of those mentioned here should be expected to 'contribute' out of ridiculous sums like 71 pounds a week. That isn't enough to pay your bills (gas, electric, water) and have food etc. or enough, quality, healthy food. I don't agree that council tax is a priority over food, that is ludicrous and if I had no money and had the choice of food or council tax, the council tax could whistle and I'd happily take a jail sentence where they fed me, housed me, let me earn 10 pounds a week, buy treats and buy a playstation 3 (which happens in our prisons)

In this country, a single person on benefits would be better off in jail and have a higher standard of living. Do none of you think the govt. take too much off all of us one way or another?? if they stopped giving foreign aid, paying for stupid wars that are not our business and spending money on rubbish, maybe they wouldn't bleed us all dry every month.

So no, I don't think those on benefits have even enough to live on, never mind pay this stupid council tax (or as it was poll tax) which is just another way to take most of our money one way or another.

princessdon

suburbanwifey wrote: »

This is not going to be a popular opinion I am sure, but I don't agree with a lot of sectors paying council tax. I have a high income and the amount of income tax and national insurance that goes out of our income each week is more than a lot of people get gross!

Then on top of that we have to pay council tax. I think the Govt. take WAY TOO MUCH off people like me. I also don't think people on benefits like some of those mentioned here should be expected to 'contribute' out of ridiculous sums like 71 pounds a week. That isn't enough to pay your bills (gas, electric, water) and have food etc. or enough, quality, healthy food. I don't agree that council tax is a priority over food, that is ludicrous and if I had no money and had the choice of food or council tax, the council tax could whistle and I'd happily take a jail sentence where they fed me, housed me, let me earn 10 pounds a week, buy treats and buy a playstation 3 (which happens in our prisons)

In this country, a single person on benefits would be better off in jail and have a higher standard of living. Do none of you think the govt. take too much off all of us one way or another?? if they stopped giving foreign aid, paying for stupid wars that are not our business and spending money on rubbish, maybe they wouldn't bleed us all dry every month.

So no, I don't think those on benefits have even enough to live on, never mind pay this stupid council tax (or as it was poll tax) which is just another way to take most of our money one way or another.

100% agree (in the main) but some have more benefits and I think they should contribute.

Eg a couple on here where 1 (only 1) had a disability were complaining they only get £400 + pw (that's tax, NI, Rent and CTB free).

£1400 a month to pay gas, leccy and food isn't breadline.

£56 or £71 - Totally agree - hard pushed to find money.

But those that receive enhanced benefits are "excluded" by some LA as vulnerable. That doesn't mean they can't pay. If they made it a fair overall "none rent" but cash contribtion of say 5% it would be fairer to all

That's without pensioners with savings etc that are currently not included.

IMO it's about creating a fair system