Planning Permission for PPC Signs/Cameras

peter_the_piper

They may/may not owe a refund but getting it is another problem altogether. These people collect ccj's like we do xmas cards.

planning_officer

hoohoo wrote: »

I dont think parking terms and conditions count as advertisements (but I'm not a planner so who knows)
EDIT: Actually I withdraw that after re-reading the note from the planner. It seems like 'advertisements' can cover a multitude of different content.

Just to clarify - yes, in planning terms, any sign is classed as an advertisement. For example, a sign displaying a house number is an advert for the purposes of the Advertisement Regulations - however most small signs like that either don't need Advertisement Consent or benefit from a deemed consent under the Regulations, which means they don't require consent from the Council.

Paperbird wrote: »

I got the same link to regulations from our local planning and I took it to mean as long as the signs came under the permitted development regs planning consent would be given but it would still be needed for them.

No - just to clarify, if a sign benefits from a deemed consent under the Advertisement Regulations, it means consent is automatically granted under that legislation (like a 'blanket' grant of Advertisement Consent for certain types of sign). It's only if a sign does not comply with the Advert Regs that it requires separate consent from the Council.

taffy056

Parc Tawe is private land and as such the company can impose conditions regarding the parking of vehicles on their land. They are within their rights to apply penalties as do the majority of supermarkets retail outlets and land owners. The signage they use would be held as best practice due to its clarity. Penalties can be charged and collected via the County Court.

I cannot advise you regarding the matters relating to planning and have therefore forwarded you e-mail to my colleagues in the planning department with a request they respond to your queries.

Anyone got anything that states who can issue penalty charge notices, because obviously they are getting things slightly wrong in my local council. The complain by the way is about signs in Parc Tawe in Swansea that state that they will issue penalties

ManxRed

That's one for Trading Standards.

Send them something that contains a pic of the signs and something like:

"...
the signs erected on site in relation to private parking terms appear to be in direct contravention of the British Parking Council’s code of practice, specifically section 15.4 which prohibits a private parking company from engaging in ‘Misrepresentation of Authority’, specifically:

“15.4 You must not use terms which imply that you are acting under statutory authority; this will include terms such as ‘fine’, ‘penalty’ or ‘penalty charge notice’.”

As can be seen from the enclosed photograph, the signs at XXXXXXXXX claim that the charges sought in relation to breach of the parking terms are ‘insert the term on the signs'

This is also therefore an offence under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations, specifically Schedule 1 para 4 – a matter ‘actionable’ by Trading Standards.