Argument with JCP Advisor over ESA

Anny_2

'It is always the people who know the least who judge the most'.

Is there some kind of quest going on to be the most narrow minded, bigoted, self righteous a******* on this forum?

Sad so sad!

lemontree

To those of us who see the daily struggle of our relatve who suffers from either mental or physical illness, this is the most upsetting generalisation I have ever seen on the Forum!
I hope neither you nor your relatives find out the hard way!!!!

lemontree

I mean you SPAMFREE!!!!!!!

FBaby

PippaGirl wrote: »

I think jealousy has made many posters on this forum very bitter and angry indeed.

I think this is a fact but you make it sound like it is a crime. When people pay for others to have things they can't afford themselves bitterness is inevitable because it challenges the notion of fairness.

Heycock

People misunderstand DLA. They don't realise that in essence it is simply an allowance to cover the extra costs of disability. Having a disability doesn't mean you can't work and doesn't mean you can't go on holiday. Getting DLA doesn't mean you have to be bedbound or in a vegative state. It is given for both physical AND mental disability. Sadly too many of the public don't appreciate that.

PippaGirl_2

Heycock wrote: »

People misunderstand DLA. They don't realise that in essence it is simply an allowance to cover the extra costs of disability. Having a disability doesn't mean you can't work and doesn't mean you can't go on holiday. Getting DLA doesn't mean you have to be bedbound or in a vegative state. It is given for both physical AND mental disability. Sadly too many of the public don't appreciate that.

and you can bet your bottom dollar that almost everyone on DLA would gladly exchange the money for a life without the disability and pain.

Personally I do think DLA or its replacement needs to be means tested, not at a low level particularly but millionaires and very high earners and the like could be excluded I think. But DLA is essential for many people to be able to gain the care and mobility they need for their daily lives. I think even if it were paid into an account like direct payments are that are only authorised to people and organisations which are providing the care and the mobility. That way Joe Public can see that the money is doing what it should and providing the help people need, rather than paying for a holiday in the sun which they themselves cannot afford.

Heycock

There is certainly a case to be made for ALL benefits to be means-tested. From child benefit all the way through to winter fuel payments and for the scrapping of age related tax allowances but politically it would never happen. The sceptre of means testing and the workhouse is too emotive within the body-political.
And I think the reason DLA isn't means tested is because it was designed to compensate for the extra costs of disability (to make you no worse off than if you had no disability) and if you look at it in that respect then non-means testing makes sense.
However if you end up on DLA better off than without the disability then that is a problem and will have to be addressed.

princessdon

Heycock wrote: »

There is certainly a case to be made for ALL benefits to be means-tested. From child benefit all the way through to winter fuel payments and for the scrapping of age related tax allowances but politically it would never happen. The sceptre of means testing and the workhouse is too emotive within the body-political.
And I think the reason DLA isn't means tested is because it was designed to compensate for the extra costs of disability (to make you no worse off than if you had no disability) and if you look at it in that respect then non-means testing makes sense.
However if you end up on DLA better off than without the disability then that is a problem and will have to be addressed.

Cb was designed to pay for expenses of children as was ctc - now means tested.

Dla needs to be more carefully looked at (as gives a passport to other benefits) eg ca and is for families who may not even have a disability. But someone who needs a mobility car shouldn't have that excluded either.

Dunroamin

PippaGirl wrote: »

It's as big an assumption that he has paid for it himself when you don't know what benefits the OP claims, what's good for the goose ...

But I didn't assume he'd paid for it himself.;)

Dunroamin

gingergee wrote: »

God forbid anyone who is on DLA etc going abroad!!! Seems to be a very emotive subject on here!! Holidays can actually be beneficial to those of us that are ill!!!

TBF, we recently had a long term poster who claims DLA high rate Care and Mobility who'd spent a month travelling around Eastern Europe by train and staying in youth hostels completely alone, so it perhaps isn't surprising that other posters become a bit cynical.