Argument with JCP Advisor over ESA

rogerblack

shedboy94 wrote: »

That criteria pretty much covers most call centre jobs and some office jobs!!!
Call centre jobs will generally involve sitting, speaking and typing - some off-line work will involve just sitting and typing.

It involves talking to people, thinking clearly and reliably about assigned tasks, responding properly to queries.

Plus having enough energy left over after the day to self-care.
In addition possibly transport.

All of this would be a problem for me, on most days.

In addition, for some, the risk of being violent at work.

Hmm71

rogerblack wrote: »

Can you please find me employment that enables me to sit in a chair for 9 hours every day, not having to do anything specific.
That, I could just about cope with.

*whispers* try the Civil Service

xylophone

I am either getting them completely mixed up - or fail to see why they wouldn't have jumped to the defence that their disability doesn't affect flying or holidays, as they are normally very explicit in why they can't work etc.

Or I may be mixing them up ...

Your memory seems to be correct. https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/54289189#Comment_54289189

Not all deaf ! You should mind your own business! I am lots worse than these deaf peoples. cannot talk, cannot write and my english rather poor. I cannot fill in the forms etc. The social services had to help me all times.

I had no english, maths or reading at school. nothing at all. My last job the fork lift truck hit me twices because i cannot hear it from behind me.

broad-sword_2

Have we met before Flight 747 in previous posts? I am getting a bit fed up now, but that aside, and to trying to help, the minimum WRAG review is 3 months.
Now, and what you do is up to you ( I do not care) but going abroad on holiday basically means you can kiss goodbye to just about every descriptor in the WCA, assuming you declare it next time round...

Blackpool_Saver

The fork lift truck hit you twice, um.....didn't the driver of it see you, or were they trying to attract your attention (joke)

Spamfree_2

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

What he expects is irrelevant... it doesn't change the rules. And presumably someone on holiday has day to day basic expenses (which is what ESA is there to pay for)... they still need to eat, be clothed etc. The rule seems to be that normally you can go abroad for up to 4 weeks and still get ESA provided you return to UK within a year.

So are you saying that the ESA provides the spending money on holiday?:eek:

Muttleythefrog

Spamfree wrote: »

So are you saying that the ESA provides the spending money on holiday?:eek:

Depends what you mean by the spending money... but certainly in part yes. ESA (and equivalents) is to fund basic living costs like eating, utilities, clothing. If you go on holiday these things are still relevant... you still have these basic requirements... life isn't suspended for the duration. I would have thought this fairly obvious to anyone unless they misunderstood what such benefits are for.

coin_operated_girl

shedboy94 wrote: »

I still don't understand why you are unable to work yet are perfectly ok to sit on a plane for 9 hours.........

Sorry, but how is travelling on a 9 hour flight even remotely like being in employment?

People seem to think that when someone on ESA goes on holiday that must automatically mean that they are faking their illness. Do people not realise that being on holiday is completely different to being at work? E.g. you can get up when you want, do exactly what you want and at your own pace etc.

I asked a question on here last year because I was on ESA and I went to America for a few weeks because my sister lives there and was getting married and my family decided to make a holiday out of it. In some peoples eyes this clearly meant that I was faking being ill. In reality I spent a massive chunk of that holiday in the hotel room asleep. Same as I would have done if I wasn't on holiday. I was perfectly able to cope with the flight as I just slept right through it. I don't think many employers would be keen to hire someone who would have to sleep through most of the working day though.

Of course some people will not genuinely be ill, but the point is that you can't tell over the internet whether someone is genuine or not and it is really unfair to accuse people of not really being unfit for work when you have no idea.

(before people start on me, I'm in full time employment now as my health has thankfully improved).

Spamfree_2

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

Depends what you mean by the spending money... but certainly in part yes. ESA (and equivalents) is to fund basic living costs like eating, utilities, clothing. If you go on holiday these things are still relevant... you still have these basic requirements... life isn't suspended for the duration. I would have thought this fairly obvious to anyone unless they misunderstood what such benefits are for.

The thing is you see people who work but can't afford a holiday get sick of people who don't work having holidays. Especailly to Florida via a 9 hour flight, which is fairly obvious unless people misunderstand those who work for a living.

PippaGirl_2

I can't see how the OP could afford such a holiday himself, I assume his family have paid for it.