Zebra crossing and sneaky CEO

muckybutt

The way I understand it is : that a ceo can give a pcn for parking or obstructing a zebra crossing, being as a ceo has issued it is will be non endorsable.

A pcso or police officer can issue a FPN for the above offence as well which will be endorsable.

Failing to stop for someone already on a crossing would fall outside the scope of a ceo as it would be a moving traffic violation therefore dealt with by the police and also endorsable.


Correct me if i'm wrong.

TrickyWicky

Let me clear this up for you all:

Zebra crossing zig zags:

Are endorseable by the police and police traffic wardens. You can be given points AND a fine.

Can get you a PCN ONLY from the council. It is still an endorseable offence however the council can not give you points only a PCN for civil illegal parking not criminal illegal parking like the police.

I hope that clears it up..

muckybutt

Which is what ive just said ?

All zebra crossing traffic violations are endorsable regardless but it depends who catches you, because councils dont have the authority to give you points its non endorsable.

Trebor16

Aretnap wrote: »

Sigh. Let's go back to the beginning. You said...


It seemed pretty clear to me that you were saying that if an offence is endorsable, a CEO can't issue a PCN for it. In the interests of complete accuracy or pedantry (whichever you prefer) I pointed out that this is not always true, and gave the example of parking on a zig zag. That is an endorsable offence for which a CEO can issue a PCN. The PCN does not come with penalty points, but that doesn't make the offence itself non-endorsable because it can also be dealt with by a criminal procedure which does result in penalty points.

I was originally referring to the offence of failing to accord precedence, but you widened it to include the issue of stopping on the zig zags. But of course when a CEO issues a PCN for this contravention (note the distinction between contravention and offence) they are not issuing a PCN for an endorseable offence but for a decriminalised parking contravention.

You seem to have difficulty in grasping the notion that a PCN relates to decriminalised parking and not offences.

Trebor16

mikey72 wrote: »

What Aretnap has written is perfectly clear. Everyone else can understand it. They are correct.
It's even been explained further to you, but I'm sure they will again.

It can't be that clear if you were asking questions repeatedly about what Aretnap had written and were having difficulty with comprehending what had been said. Unless you are beling deliberately contrary just for the sake of it, and we know you wouldn't do that Mikey boy, would you.

mikey72

Trebor16 wrote: »

It can't be that clear if you were asking questions repeatedly about what Aretnap had written and were having difficulty with comprehending what had been said. Unless you are beling deliberately contrary just for the sake of it, and we know you wouldn't do that Mikey boy, would you.

Don't quote me. I didn't show your post was totally incorrect. The rest of us apear to have understood Aretnap's post perfectly, and the principle behind it. Make your peace with the ones you were arguing with.

Coupon-mad

Dunno what everyone is squabbling about when you are all saying the same thing! :rotfl:

But to the OP, I suspect the person you thought was a CEO was actually a PCSO.

LincolnshireYokel

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Let me clear this up for you all:

Zebra crossing zig zags:

Are endorseable by the police and police traffic wardens. You can be given points AND a fine.

Can get you a PCN ONLY from the council. It is still an endorseable offence however the council can not give you points only a PCN for civil illegal parking not criminal illegal parking like the police.

I hope that clears it up..

You cant get points off a PCSO -straight from the horses mouth http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/page.php?p=powers

P C S O POWERS

Summary of PCSO Designated Powers

1. Power to require name and address for anti-social behaviour
2. Power to require persons drinking in designated places to surrender alcohol
3. Power to require persons aged under 18 to surrender alcohol
4. Power to seize tobacco from a person aged under 16
5. Power to seize drugs and require name and address for possession of drugs
6. Power to require name and address for relevant offences or relevant licensing offences
7. Power to photograph persons away from a police station
8. Power to issue fixed penalty notices for littering
9. Power to issue fixed penalty notices in respect of offences under dog control orders
10. Power to remove abandoned vehicles
11. Power to issue fixed penalty notices for cycling on a footpath
12. Power to stop cycles
13. Power to control traffic for purposes other than escorting a load of exceptional dimensions
14. Power to carry out road checks
15. Power to require name and address for relevant road traffic offences
16. Power to place signs
17. Power to seize vehicles used to cause alarm
18. Power to enter and search any premises for the purposes of saving life and limb or preventing serious damage to property
19. Power to stop and search in authorised areas (terrorism)
20. Power to enforce cordoned areas (terrorism)
21. General Power of Seizure Section 19-22 PACE
22. PACE Section 18 – Power to enter and search a premises occupied or controlled by a person who is under arrest for an indictable offence and to seize items found on such a search.
23. Power to convey a detained person to custody
24. Power to carry out non intimate searches in respect of persons in police detention
25. Duty to prevent escape in respect of persons in police detention

roddydogs

YES you can if they are a TPCSO............a PCSO trained in Traffic offences (They took over from Traffic Wardens in the MET area),NOT a normal PCSO. Traffic Wardens started being phased out about 8 years ago, thou there are still a few left (I believe)........Traffic Wardens were given the choice of becoming a TPCSO, most didnt, thou no new"Traffic Wardens" are being employed. This is MET area only, dont know about other areas.

PasturesNew

You should have stopped and made the old people cross.... whether they wanted to or not!