Tax credits down £280 per month

princess*daisy

BurnleyBob wrote: »

The majority of children born in the UK nowadays are to unmarried mothers.

Women need to be more choosy about who they sleep with. And if they're unable to then they should keep their knees together while they ponder the concept of personal responsibility.

Oh but men can sleep with whoever they like? Hmmm, last time I checked, it takes two to make a baby, so both are equally responsible. If father then goes AWOL, it is not the mother's fault. Which brings me back to my original point.

princessdon

sniggings wrote: »

and your point is!

didn't realise the rule was we had to only use post tax figures.

Even on £680 no one should be getting money from the g
Government.

Do you include those with disabilities Eg DLA payments in that?

Those who have 1 high earner and their parnter cares for their disabled child/parent and claims Carers Allowance?

Those who may pay £400 a week on childcare so only have £280 take home after childcare to support a large family?

sniggings

princessdon wrote: »

Do you include those with disabilities Eg DLA payments in that?

Those who have 1 high earner and their parnter cares for their disabled child/parent and claims Carers Allowance?

Those who may pay £400 a week on childcare so only have £280 take home after childcare to support a large family?

I think DLA should be means tested, it's crazy MPs, millionaires get it.

You are so keen to point out that every case is not the same, I agree but that works both ways, every single parent is not your Mother, every person on a good wage doesn't pay £400 childcare, so why does every one on a good wage get family allowance.

princessdon

sniggings wrote: »

every one on a good wage get family allowance.

FWIW - I agree that both CA and DLA should be means tested - but they won't do this for the forseeable future.

CB is now being stopped anyway for those above (but allowed for people potentially earning double).

The reason I posted the above Eg with Childcare is that if someone had twins aged 2 that is the amount they'd pay for full time in a nursery. They would get Child Tax credits if single (not a huge amount but they'd be entitled to it), yet at the same time they'd stop their CB - so on one hand saying you drop below the amount expected to live on - here are Tax Credits - then on the other saying you are a high earner lets remove the Child Benefit.

clemmatis

BurnleyBob wrote: »

The majority of children born in the UK nowadays are to unmarried mothers.

Women need to be more choosy about who they sleep with. And if they're unable to then they should keep their knees together while they ponder the concept of personal responsibility.

43% of births are illegitimate, but 23% of children under 14 live in single-parent households, and "single-parent" includes divorced and widowed as well as never married women (also, some of the single-parent households are headed by men).

sniggings

the problem as you say is the way the family allowance is going to be administered.

To say to not stop family allowance because they may still get tax credits makes little sense, in your example the child care costs would only be paid whilst the child is under school age but family allowance would still be paid until the child is 16/18.

The answer but will not happen for a long time is to get rid of family allowance all together, it is expensive to run for the small amount of money it puts into the pockets of those that need it, more people I would say get it and don't really need the extra.

Increase CTC to make up for the loss of family allowance, so you would then be hitting those that do need the money and at the same time means testing the benefit, this would also help get rid of the sexist way that family allowance is paid, why should the allowance only be paid to the woman, I don't know of any other benefit that is only paid to the man, if that was the case there would be an uproar.

BurnleyBob

clemmatis wrote: »

43% of births are illegitimate, but 23% of children under 14 live in single-parent households, and "single-parent" includes divorced and widowed as well as never married women (also, some of the single-parent households are headed by men).

It was 45% in 2008. Today it's slightly above 50%. That's according to official government statistics.

BurnleyBob

princess*daisy wrote: »

Oh but men can sleep with whoever they like? Hmmm, last time I checked, it takes two to make a baby, so both are equally responsible. If father then goes AWOL, it is not the mother's fault. Which brings me back to my original point.

Both are not equally responsible. With all due respect you've merely repeated that as if it's true when it's not.

A prospective mother can have an abortion. Needless to state the obvious about a prospective father.

neverdespairgirl

sniggings wrote: »

I think DLA should be means tested, it's crazy MPs, millionaires get it.

You are so keen to point out that every case is not the same, I agree but that works both ways, every single parent is not your Mother, every person on a good wage doesn't pay £400 childcare, so why does every one on a good wage get family allowance.

Everyone on a good wage doesn't get family allowance, if by that term you mean tax credits of one sort or another.

We have a 7 year old son, and don't get tax credits of any kind, and never have done.

sniggings

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Everyone on a good wage doesn't get family allowance, if by that term you mean tax credits of one sort or another.

We have a 7 year old son, and don't get tax credits of any kind, and never have done.

no I mean family allowance/child benefit.