Tax credits down £280 per month

princess*daisy

BurnleyBob wrote: »

The proliferation of single mothers knocking out lots of kids (many if not most who became chavs that are seemingly everywhere)

Surely it's the absent fathers who are at fault here, not the women who are left to look after the children?

sniggings

princess*daisy wrote: »

Surely it's the absent fathers who are at fault here, not the women who are left to look after the children?

How about both!

princess*daisy

sniggings wrote: »

How about both!

But if the father does a runner and doesn't pay towards the upkeep of the child(ren), how is that the mother's fault? I speak from experience, my own father was more elusive than Lord Lucan. That does not warrant my mum being criticised, called a "chav" or being made to look like she got pregnant with me to make a fast buck.

neverdespairgirl

banner188 wrote: »

A better regulated progressive tax system is what is needed. People on better incomes need to pay their fare share and that wealth transfered to those on lower incomes. Why? Because they need us and the system needs us just as much as it needs doctors, lawyers etc.. it cannot be separated apart. Dustbin men are absolutely vital to the system and should have the dignity of a living wage and if it takes benefits raised through taxation to achieve this, then so be it!!

What is their "fair share" exactly? How should that be calculated? Is the 40% or 50% higher rate not high enough, in your opinion?

neverdespairgirl

sniggings wrote: »

my point still stands though how the Government can see we are hardly keeping the lights on yet pay out money to people on over £1,000 a week.

If you earn £50,000 a year, you aren't on over £1,000 a week. There are small matters of tax and NI - on a gross of £50k a year you will get about £680 a week.

Sixer

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

If you earn £50,000 a year, you aren't on over £1,000 a week. There are small matters of tax and NI - on a gross of £50k a year you will get about £680 a week.

This is true. But also, true tax rates aren't quite as wide as made out as NICs are never included. What we *really* have is a progression of 12%, 32%, 42% and 47%. And low earners who begin to contribute on £5k per year, not £8k. This looks rather different to 20%, 40% and 45%, does it not?

BurnleyBob

princess*daisy wrote: »

Surely it's the absent fathers who are at fault here, not the women who are left to look after the children?

The majority of children born in the UK nowadays are to unmarried mothers.

Women need to be more choosy about who they sleep with. And if they're unable to then they should keep their knees together while they ponder the concept of personal responsibility.

princessdon

Or a really novel idea here - women should be able to support their children (nasty words there I know), but when I had my children I always considered if I could support them financially, emotionally and fully before having them and that included being on my own if necessary.

sniggings

princess*daisy wrote: »

But if the father does a runner and doesn't pay towards the upkeep of the child(ren), how is that the mother's fault? I speak from experience, my own father was more elusive than Lord Lucan. That does not warrant my mum being criticised, called a "chav" or being made to look like she got pregnant with me to make a fast buck.

I'm sure the post didn't mean every case was the same.

I do wonder at how many men run off without paying if they were in a long term relationship, with both or one of them earning good money and living together.

My guess is it's more likely to be a young couple only been together a short time, not living together and probably not working or on the min wage, in those cases I would blame both parties not just the man.

sniggings

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

If you earn £50,000 a year, you aren't on over £1,000 a week. There are small matters of tax and NI - on a gross of £50k a year you will get about £680 a week.

and your point is!

didn't realise the rule was we had to only use post tax figures.

Even on £680 no one should be getting money from the g
Government.