Preparedness for when

mardatha

Tories are a lower form of life but it's up to us to stop them. If we let them get away with it then they will do it. Only way to do that is to remember what GQ says - there are more of us than there are of them. always. My knitting is right here in my hand GQ -- JUST GIMME A GUILLOTINE!

[Deleted User]

Problem with all this blaming and dividing people into groups is that it only makes things worse. What we really need is to put the past behind us and collectively look forward with clear eyes to making the future as good as we can. Probably NOT going to happen because people are 'people' but it's sad that we're fracturing and becoming restive and more and more blinkered trying to blame each other rather than trying to find a way forward.

mardatha

I don't think there is a way forward MrsL, things have always been this way and will probably always go on this way.

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You're probably right MAR but I like to think that at some point in the journey of mankind we'll actually grow up as a species and stop acting like infants and seeing 'through a glass darkly'!

moneyistooshorttomention

That's something I've been awaiting with interest - and steadily decreasing hope - for quite some time....:cool:

GreyQueen

The counsel of perfection, MrsLW. Never yet been achieved and never will be achieved but one should never give up hope of some improvements. The present elites may be overthrown but there are always new elites arising who finally push things too far and are overthrown in their turn. Each cycle may take generations. I happen to think we are approaching the beginning of the end of a cycle.

It's like house-cleaning - it'll always be with us. Therefore vigilance is needed to stop those people who have the power to change lives through their actions (politicians, big business, big landowners, media moguls) from becoming too comfortable in their rights and prerogatives.

This comfort breeds contempt for the majority who are not in positions of power, who are not well-connected with those who are powerful, and who have little ability to affect the factors which control their lives. If you hold the majority of your fellow citizens in contempt, and use every opportunity to screw them over, why on earth would they go along with the present order of society when it offers them so little?

The constant vulgarities of the super-rich and their entitled superspawn do not impact upon most of us, other than as things to tsk over when seen in the media.

Far more insidious is the political class who erode workers' pay and conditions to benefit the business class, the politicians who grind down tenants' right to advantage the rentier class, the politicians who starve the educational and healthcare resources which the majority of us have no option but to depend upon for our needs.

Imagine that your child would be in a state school alongside a politician's child. That any lack of resources would directly impact on the educational achievements of their offspring. Would there be less or more resources directed towards state schooling?

Or that a politician with a health problem is told that their GP can see them in approximately 25 days' time.

Hard to imagine that being allowed to continue if it impacted on anyone of importance, hey?

[Deleted User]

Depends on where you see your own place in the great plan of things. I know I'm not important at all certainly not above anyone else and certainly would only expect an equal portion of whatever was going, not more, not less, but the same as everyone else because I really DO believe we are each of equal worth and no one, no matter how much they think they are, is worth more than the meanest and most insignificant of us!

moneyistooshorttomention

I don't rate anyone's hopes of persuading most people that "All are Equal" personally.:cool:

Got back today from a discussion along similar lines - which basically it DID get agreed that's that how we would approach things:D - but it's not easy to get that agreement - even on a very small scale...:cool:

Somebody somewhere sometime will - in most contexts - argue as to why there is a case for "personal advantage"....sighs...

VJsmum

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Problem with all this blaming and dividing people into groups is that it only makes things worse. What we really need is to put the past behind us and collectively look forward with clear eyes to making the future as good as we can. Probably NOT going to happen because people are 'people' but it's sad that we're fracturing and becoming restive and more and more blinkered trying to blame each other rather than trying to find a way forward.

Agreed. I wish i knew what the way forward was, though. All these politicos resigning, who is our leader??

I do get annoyed at those who seem to think that they are entitled to XYZ and don't seem to realise that they have to work for it (those who can work for it, obviously). I am ashamed to say that there are members of my family like that - example is my brother's girlfriend. 27 she is and has never worked a day in her life. Runs a sports car and has new clothes every week. Complained last week cos she has had to do 'training' otherwise her benefits would get stopped.:mad: I'm afraid the country is too full of people like that...

Edit - just to be clear, i am not talking of the sick, the disabled etc - just the workshy....

GreyQueen

There are a fair few idlers in this world, VJsMum. Some of them are my near neighbours. I will go out to work in the morning as a woman 30 years older than them, and with chronic health problems. There will be no sign of them stirring at that hour, of course.

Yet, by the time I come home, they will be lounging around outside with their pals, smoking and drinking, chatting and laughing. These are able-bodied twenty-somethings btw, not the sick or disabled, and it is extremely annoying on a daily basis. Particularly as they are as fresh as daisies and will be racketing around until nearly midnight, keeping me awake when I need to rest and recuperate for another working day.

I'd be pretty happy with a regime which said to the able-bodied unemployed; there is fieldwork or factory work available. The workers bus will be leaving from X point at 06.00 and you can be on it, and work and earn. Or you can not be on it and get no jobseeker's allowance.

I've biked ten miles to do fruit-picking all day, and ten miles back. I've worked at production line jobs, as a cleaner and delivered the post and done delivery driving. I wasn't raised with an attitude that I was too good for any kind of work, or that I should sit twiddling my thumbs being supported by other people's taxes until I found something just-right for my tastes.

Can't for the life of me see why anyone should be supported if they refuse to do such work as is available, with certain caveats, such as not being expected to be a prostitute, of course.

But I digress. When are we going to be tarring and feathering some politicians, please? I have a window of availability this Friday, if anyone would like to form a mob?