Preparedness for when

ivyleaf

pineapple wrote: »

Never mind despondency. It's a bally mess. Markets in freefall, political parties in freefall, reports of racist incidents...Then our Nigel goes and makes things worse by telling the EU mob they never had had real jobs... Cheers Nige. You were actually getting a few claps (along with the jeers) till then.. Don't ever become a hostage negotiator will you? Then Scotland and NI make a plea for special consideration because they lurv the EU and don't want to leave. Sob...And now we have Spain eyeing up Gibraltar and talks between Scotland and Gibraltar... ....
Naturally this mayhem is feeding into the rhetoric of certain pro EU media who are actually talking up some of the storm. Not that they are short of ammunition.
My head hurts.
PS I actually do believe that enough will have been sufficiently frightened by the aftermath to reverse the vote - if there was a second referendum. Also that Boris really didn't think it would go this far.

We're certainly living in interesting times :eek: I would still vote to Leave again though. Just very sad to see that some people think the result makes it all right for them to behave appallingly to people from other countries, or who are perceived to be from other countries

Goldiegirl

pineapple wrote: »

Never mind despondency. It's a bally mess. Markets in freefall, political parties in freefall, reports of racist incidents...Then our Nigel goes and makes things worse by telling the EU mob they never had had real jobs... Cheers Nige. You were actually getting a few claps (along with the jeers) till then.. Don't ever become a hostage negotiator will you? Then Scotland and NI make a plea for special consideration because they lurv the EU and don't want to leave. Sob...And now we have Spain eyeing up Gibraltar and talks between Scotland and Gibraltar... ....
Naturally this mayhem is feeding into the rhetoric of certain pro EU media who are actually talking up some of the storm. Not that they are short of ammunition.
My head hurts.
PS I actually do believe that enough will have been sufficiently frightened by the aftermath to reverse the vote - if there was a second referendum. Also that Boris really didn't think it would go this far.

Maybe Project Fear had a point after all - it's degenerated into a complete mess very quickly

but to echo Vjsmum's question - what do people want to see in a negotiated withdrawal from Europe - what terms and conditions would be acceptable to them?

daz278

been a bit tense around my area, the other day a guy was stabbed 20 times in the leg.... somehow survived in the close at the bottom of my flats...... a bit worrying as i sometimes wobble home from pub 2/3 times a month ! for anyone wishing for foreign viewpoint on British politics Saturday BBC news24 11.30 am is called dateline london or google europapers then translate function.....back in work after 4 days off........Going to keep filling my shelves as our care contracts ends in 4 years , we may win it back or someone outbids on the basis of taking us back on on minimum wage .....you all take care

armyknife

GreyQueen wrote: »

I agree with mrs-moneypenny.

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We traded internationally from this country in the Bronze age. We had an empire before the age of steam. We do not need a bloated bureaucracy sitting in various parts of the continent to organise this for us.

And welcomed skilled immigrants way back then too:

http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/collections/stonehenge-prehistory/amesbury-archer

milasavesmoney

Saipan, how absolutely horrible that this could happen! Bless your friend and his colleagues for protecting this woman! She definitely needs their kindness and support after what she went through.

milasavesmoney

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ec9i_iGCj80

Alan Greenspan (former Federal Reserve of the US chairman1987-2006) on Bretix.

You have to like economics to watch this all the way through, and he won't answer some questions but it is a very interesting take on global economy etc.

moneyistooshorttomention

daz278 wrote: »

for anyone wishing for foreign viewpoint on British politics Saturday BBC news24 11.30 am is called dateline london or google europapers then translate function..

Imo the "translate" function isnt very good on websites. Being in Wales now I find the odd thing is put in Welsh only - so I have sometimes requested "translate" from the website and can never fully understand it - so dont usually bother to try and read it. So I have tried to read foreign websites before now with "translate" and given up trying to make out what they are saying.

The BBC News24 sounds more promising - what channel is that on please?

I'll also check out YouTube to see if I can find SkyNews on there - as I dont get to see that (having Freeview).

GreyQueen

armyknife wrote: »

And welcomed skilled immigrants way back then too:

http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/collections/stonehenge-prehistory/amesbury-archer

Perfectly true. Unskilled migrants (or skilled migrants taking unskilled work) don't tend to be welcomed by working class populations such as those of my hometown when they take factory jobs that the locals want and need for themselves. Cross-cultural fertilisation isn't your first thought when you're out of work and can't find somewhere affordable to live.

People joke hollowly about wanting to leave my hometown to go live somewhere English is the first language. It's astonishing to walk around there and hear about 80% of passers-by speaking in eastern european languages. There is a great deal of hardship being caused to the poorest in society by the free movement of labour from other EU countries and the political classes don't give a monkey's about their losses.

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VJsMum, glad you're safely back from the mud-bath at Worthy Farm, was it as bad as it looked in the photographs? And great about the kelly kettle, I wonder if they will see an uptick in sales? I do know my first reaction to seeing KK in action (pal brought one to the lottie) was I want one of those and everyone who has ever seen one in use seems to have the same thought. They sell themselves once you've seen them demonstrated.

Well, everyone who has any kind of outdoor activity life, at least. It's one of those designs which is just so perfect that you can't believe it - boiling tea water by burning a few wisps of grass?! Amazingly fuel efficient things. I keep mine at the flat (sheds get broken into pretty regularly at the lotties ) and have an emergency bag of dried-out pinecones stored to use in it.

To make it clear, I would be using it outside on a covered walkway which is under the rain but otherwise open air. Imagine how popular you'd be if you could keep the neighbours in tea and coffee in a crisis?

moneyistooshorttomention

Starting to catch up on the latest news - and shall follow the Conservative Party leadership contest right now with the greatest interest I think.

I wonder.....?

I remember a Conservative Party member (from a very different background to the man concerned - judging by her voice and confidence level) telling me Stephen Crabb was "going places" and trying to recruit me as a member some weeks back (errrm....that didnt work...the Conservatives tried to do that years ago on two different occasions and were surprised to find it didnt work then either:)). Probably yer archetypal floating voter these days:rotfl:. I do remember thinking "Hmm.....:cool:....strokes chin...:cool:....clang....remember this conversation Money....:cool:" at the time and wondering.

Personal viewpoint pretty much summed up as "a plague on all your houses" about political parties these days and, unfortunately, that has come to include what I thought of more as my "natural home party" (ie the Green Party). Not with some of their non-environmental policies unfortunately:(

Think I shall read up a bit more about this particular dark horse and weigh up what I think the odds are. He's more likely than a lot to understand people from varying viewpoints - living in a part of the country where some want to break away from the rest of the country and hence aware that a country can be conflicted within itself (but I dont think he wants to himself as far as I can make out). Also from a very "working class" background - but used to associating with those from a very different one.

Watching with interest here...

mrs-moneypenny

Morning all

Saipan I'm saddened to read of the verbal attack on your friends colleague, no where in any of the brexit stuff I saw or read did it mention plans to expel people who we already here (unless illiegal or criminal-and that should have been happening anyway) in any case the boarders aren't being closed so different people from other countries both in and outside Europe can apply to come and work.
Also re your friend the last time I looked Asia was not in Europe so the idiots who were upsetting her didn't even know what they were going on about.
Racism is as I have said before abhorrent and should never be tolerated, I sorry the perpetrators can't be identified and dealt with.

In preparedness news I'm away to work early as we have ofsted calling :eek:

Have a good day all