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..and meanwhile the British viewpoint is one goes "Oh good show old sport" and then chats politely over a cup of tea after the event (or...booze....delete as appropriate) and then "gets on with it".
We do still have a national concept of being "good losers" - or I thought we did....
I admit to being upset that I'm having to deal with the fact that most of my own peer group voted the other way at the moment - but what can ya do?
I worked out the odds for Britain's best bet scenario. I worked out the odds for how likely that was to happen. That's what you do isnt it? - and then "get on with it"...:cool:0 -
Goldiegirl wrote: »The reports say that the people who voted Leave, are more likely to be old and / or poorly educated.
I think that's incredibly insulting.I think the Leave politicians need to get on with it, and invoke article 50 ASAP. But some of them seem curiously reluctant, now that they've won.
I understood it's only the PM, who can trigger Article 50.0 -
Bedsit_Bob wrote: »I think that's incredibly insulting.
I understood it's only the PM, who can trigger Article 50.
But it's what the reports are saying.
If it's only the PM that can trigger Article 50, then Cameron should go ASAP, and let Boris do it when he's PM. After all Boris wanted it so bad, he should have the 'pleasure' of formally starting the procedure to leaveEarly retired - 18th December 2014
If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough0 -
Bedsit_Bob wrote: »Personally, I don't think there will be an EU, in ten years time.
I agree and I have thought for a long time that it has come to it's sell-by date and was circling the drain.
Being someone who lived a life before and after the EU I find it hard to see what the young people were going to get from the EU except austerity. We have already got C & O telling us that it is austerity time whilst getting an 11% pay rise regularly themselves, eating at a subsidised canteen, meals out and on expenses where possible and a subsidised bar - all subsidised by the taxpayer. There are more people joining the queue for food banks, 0 hours jobs and unable to purchase their own home. However, our lot can be replaced at the ballot box unlike the EU faceless civil servants.
During 2007/2008 'credit crunch' a fancy word for depression working people lost their homes and a lot lost their private pensions and this whilst we were firmly in the EU so I cannot see the attraction apart from the perceived security blanket which is no security at all and NO democracy, they just have secret meetings and tell us what we have to do and what we cannot do.
I know there will be hard times ahead but this was going to be the case anyway, most of the developed world is running on debt and I truly hope and expect that the young and their eventual young will reap some wonderful benefits. What I do know is that long before the EU people from Europe have come here to live and work and British have gone there to live and work so there is no reason for this to stop once the EU babies stop throwing their toys out the pram.
To the persons who, on another thread said the people who voted leave were uneducated and peasants, I say... yes, the peasants are revolting.
Lots of good luck everyone for our future. :beer:
Quote from a better mind that mine:
SIR WINSTON CHURCHILL:
We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined . We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea."Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". - Benjamin Franklin0 -
I'll admit I winced when I read "old and poorly-educated" and thought "Just where does that leave someone like myself - ie late middle-age and university level intelligence?".
I dont think one can talk like that.
People of all ages and levels of intelligence will have voted whatever way they did. I still hold to the view that people were, basically, most likely to vote in accordance with what "nationality" they personally perceive themselves to be and age and intelligence levels have absolutely nothing to do with peoples perceptions in that respect.0 -
I hate jumping into this kind of aggro but... Every single region up here voted to remain. If that was England then that would be a democratic majority... but since it's only us peasants up here apparently it's immaterial and doesn't matter. I'm damn sure you would be the first to moan Ceridwen if that was you. However instead of moaning about it, Nicola is moving her a$$ and dealing with it. Which to me seems sensible. Maybe she's a Prepper! lol
EDITED to say - I did not vote, because I don't care enough either way. I just object to people hauling in Scotland's name to this row when this isn't at all about us.0 -
We might some of us be classed as old, poorly educated? I doubt that. The education we received was to O level, A level and Degree level just as it is today and we older generation have used that education to help the younger generations to be educated too. We have experience too and have had that for longer than some of the complainees. There isn't a right or wrong in the decision, it might not be the result that you wanted on a personal level but it was a FREE vote, it was debated, wrangled over and presented by both the remain and the leave politicians. The people of the nation have made up their own minds and have voted not just an elite chosen few, all who were eligible to vote had the opportunity to vote and there are inevitably lots of disgruntled and very angry people who did vote and found they were in the minority. It was a free vote, hopefully it was a fair vote and it was a close run decision BUT it IS the decision of the British Nation.0
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To get back on track ... is anybody thinking of extending their gardens and growing more veg to compensate for possible higher prices in the future?0
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You betcha we are MAR and this year every morsel that we grow that I can harvest will be used and preserved and stored away.0
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