Preparedness for when

Goldiegirl

In the other thread Moneyistooshorttomention asked me to stop making comments about 'old and poorly eductated' people voting Brexit








this was my reply

I'm not personally saying that 'Brexit voters are old and thick'


I'm pointing out information that has been reported, and suggesting that in some cases, some people who feel let down by the establishment may have used the referendum to make an anti-establishment statement.


I'm not saying that this is the case for every single Brexit voter - I'm just making a suggestion - that's all


I think it's poor form to ask me to stop making comments that you personally don't like - after all we are living in a democracy, as the Leave voters are so fond of pointing out!

As a person in her mid 50's and left school at 16, I could be placed in the old and poorly educated group, so I'm not thrilled about the stats either - especially as I didn't vote leave!

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nuatha wrote: »

Ironically it seems that the areas with largest percentage of leave voters are those that had received substantial EU regeneration funds.

For "received substantial EU regeneration funds", read "received British taxpayer's money".

As nett contributors, we receive nothing we haven't already paid in.

Apparently, we are supposed to be grateful, that they graciously give us back some of our own money.

moneyistooshorttomention

I would say that is "misinterpretation" to say that people "hope for" the collapse of the EU.

Commenting that something is likely to happen is stating our opinion that it is likely to happen. It is not "hoping for" it to happen. Personally - I'm absolutely totally neutral about it - whatever happens happens and I have no opinion either way about it.

Goldiegirl

Blue_Doggy wrote: »

I am very much saddened to read in some posts here and elsewhere that people hope for the collapse of the EU - we're out of it now (or will be soon), let us wish the remaining 27 countries well. I hope that it does not collapse but stays together, don't forget the Bear prowling in the East.

I wouldn't be surprised if the population of the likes of Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden, and maybe even France start calling for a referendum. (Nexit, Dexit Swexit and Frexit!)


In 10 years time, the EU could be very different, and less strong, which could be a worry.


I always felt we were stronger together, and that goes for the EU and the UK

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Blue_Doggy wrote: »

2) I fear that British farming will be damaged in the rush for cheap food, and worry that to compete many, most, or all of the animal welfare and environmental gains made over recent years will be lost

Veal production welfare standards are far higher in the UK, than in other European countries.

4) I had (and have) no confidence that the wide and airy promises made by the leave side will be fulfilled - they are politicians, after all.

You have confidence in the unelected politicians in the EU?

I am very much saddened to read in some posts here and elsewhere that people hope for the collapse of the EU

I don't recall anyone on here, hoping for the collapse of the EU.

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Goldiegirl wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if the population of the likes of Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden, and maybe even France start calling for a referendum. (Nexit, Dexit Swexit and Frexit!)

There are already stirrings in France, Poland, Austria, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic.

In 10 years time, the EU could be very different, and less strong, which could be a worry.

Personally, I don't think the EU will exist, in 10 years time.

nuatha

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

For "received substantial EU regeneration funds", read "received British taxpayer's money".

As nett contributors, we receive nothing we haven't already paid in.

Apparently, we are supposed to be grateful, that they graciously give us back some of our own money.

I obviously wasn't clear on some context.
EU regeneration funds to help regenerate areas where British Government policies had closed industries. Areas where successive governments had failed to invest in any form of regeneration.

To then use a Leave vote to protest against the government (as a number of those interviewed stated) seems confused at best.

I did not state that the origin of the monies wasn't UK and other taxpayers.

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fuddle

So much of this is about interpretation... news editors, reporters, commentators, experts, politicians, public young and old etc.

I understand that this country is split but for me. The question is why has it split so badly. How is it possible that 'passion' can be so extreme without a middle ground? That is what referendum does. I expect that when it was agreed it was felt like it would be a walk in the park for remain - I mean that Nig Farage is a bit of a... but for me it goes much, much deeper and actually has nothing to do xenophobia or even history. For me it's a country not being able to cope with the increasing population year after year. Moving around this country over the years has seen a repeated struggle to access services and schooling for my family and in particular, accessing housing when times were at rock bottom.

I want migrant workers here and in my experience without migrant workers the social care system would be in chaos but I see no problem in having people in our country who want to come and help in areas that we need.

With regard to exiting the single market, well i have my own viewpoint based on my experiences. Exiting the single market may effect my families finances. Our rent may go up,council tax increases, food increases or DH salary reduction because of the sector he is in but even if that all happens we, as a a family, have been at rock bottom before and came back.

We live in a capitalist world, our economy surrounds buying and selling. Ok, that's important but heck, society is so driven by accumulation, having, needing, wanting, experiencing and spending for gain. Living in these times have made us selfish and a little bit ugly spirted, in my opinion of course.

One way or another leaving the EU will likely have a nagative effect on lives as we know them for all of us in differentv ways but please try to see it from those who have noting, likely to get nothing but haveva positive outlook and determination to not just survive but thrive on little.

Maybe it was a decision between 'more of the same' or worse for folks who struggle with school places, getting GP places, get on the books of a dentist. Life is a struggle for some as it is without a battle for services that are paid for by a huge reduction in the amount DH brings home every month.

My concern is that the Tory cuts are as equally to blame for the above and not migration but even so, for me, my vote was cast with sovereignty and easy/expected/comfortable capitalism in mind.

If you hadn't worked it out I did vote leave. I feltvstrongly about it all the way through and went with my gut feeling.

My last word, especially asvyou have all had some peace from me from some time , is this...

A group divided is a group that is weaker. It goes back to my point on interpretation at the beginning. Why do the young feel the 'old' have wrecked their futures? Someone somewhere has planted the seed. Someone somewhere has interpreted with their purpose or their gain in mind and the recipient has interprated it to suit their end game. I would just say that non of us have won, non of us have lost. We voted on black and white because we had no choice. We are cast into black and white because of propaganda and a disgusting campaign that I truelly did not want to be part of at all on either side.

I simply put my thoughts into it and voted. Had we remained I would have accepted and got on with it. I feel we now must all get on with it. The time has passed for mud slaying but unfortunately 'passions' are continuing with accusations or nose rubbing within society. Of course, once a mood of finger pointing and name calling get wrapped under 'passion' it isn't going to be easy to change but we all have such a proactive demenour within our culture that I'm hoping we will cease to say and act like red top rags soon enough.

daz278

i bow to the will of the people....if we end up being ok..... i will admit to fears unfounded. Bit worrying that the six founding fathers of the euro are trying to rush us into article 50.......thought they may have offered us a better deal.....then again we are not as easy to bully as greece.......take care and thanks for the daily dose of sanity that is always provided here