Preparedness for when

Karmacat

mrs-moneypenny wrote: »

... if David Cameron continues he is alienating people who were agreeing with him.

I've actually become undecided but I most certainly loathe the scare-mongering thats being done - I've no idea who's actually doing the most of it, but DC seems to get all the headlines.

Plus not sure what other people's views are but being not at all interested in footie having David beckham try to advise him either way also got his gander up.

He doesn't normally stick his neck out like this, frankly I wonder who/what has got to him

Was Just saying on sky that the vote is purely advisory and it is up to the government wether they actually act upon the will of the people. I'm thinking civil unrest if they dare to pull that one how ever the vote goes.

:eek::eek::eek: absolutely on the expectation of civil unrest in this situation.

Just been reading Martin's blog on 'how to vote' and the man should have a knighthood, at the very least.

mardatha

I can't see anything wrong at all with people coming into the country to work. If these jobs are in the Job Centre then they are open to everybody who is qualified. I can't abide racists who won't get out of bed to go to work and then moan that immigrants are stealing all the jobs.

Perplexed_Pineapple

monnagran wrote: »

Interesting comment on TV this morning.

Those voting REMAIN are voting with their heads and in fear.
Those voting LEAVE are voting with their hearts and in anger.

x

With respect, monnagran, that's complete BS. I'm voting to leave because I have thought very carefully about the economy, immigration, and most importantly for me, democracy. I just don't believe that the EU will ever deliver on that front.

VJsmum

Perplexed_Pineapple wrote: »

With respect, monnagran, that's complete BS. I'm voting to leave because I have thought very carefully about the economy, immigration, and most importantly for me, democracy. I just don't believe that the EU will ever deliver on that front.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

This is very good - and why I think you're wrong, with all due respect.

I'm off to glasto.

Peace out

mrs-moneypenny

Have a great time at Glastonbury VJsmum, my DS wanted to go but couldn't get off work due to upcoming jury service. Hope the weather is kind

Perplexed_Pineapple

Have fun at Glastonbury VJsmum. It looks as though the weather may be good too
I've watched the first 10 minutes of that video and so far he has talked about the law, sovereignty, power and influence, but not about democracy. These are connected, but not the same thing. Just my opinion which is worth no more than anybody else's. I do hope that once the results are in we can settle down to working together to make the best of if rather than unseemly bickering for months/years (not here on the forum, politicians and governmental types are the ones who will have to make it work so hopes not high on that front :rotfl:).

GreyQueen

Just in from the allotment where I went after work and haven't been online for 12 hours nor exposed to any other media. I was gardening whilst amicably chatting to the Polish woman who has the next plot.

My allotment site has a fair few Polish people, a Ukrainian and an Italian on nearby plots. We don't talk politics but I wonder how they are feeling in the run up to the referendum...........?

I've voted for Brexit already, on June 2nd (postal voter).

My reasons aren't going to be the same as each and every other person who has or will vote to Leave, and nor will the reasons of each person who votes to Remain be the same as other voters making the same choice.

Thus, imo, cliches and simplifications about motivations aren't helpful, they're derogatory. It implies that people aren't capable of rational thought and make important decisions based on the lowest emotions we humans are capable of; fear and anger. I'm insulted by that. In fact, I am absolutely bliddy furious at being insulted by the media in like vein. How dare they!

I've voted Leave because I have to assure Britons, who are living in a city where they grew up, and their families before them for generations, that the reason that they can't get a council home isn't immigration, and that we're not prioritising EU migrants ahead of their own legitimate needs.

We're not, but each and every home allocated to an EU economic migrant is one less for the locals. And at least 10% of socially rented homes nationally are being let to EU migrants. There's no way to deny that - you can roll a t*rd in glitter but it still stinks.

I also know how many times we have to hire translators in order to interact with people in the housing department, benefits enquiries, education and hear plenty about translation being required in the NHS (I know some professional translators of several European and one Middle-Eastern language). That costs the rest of us, at a time of austerity -a lot.

I see an awful lot of businesses locally offering overseas money transfer services; money earned here isn't being spent here, chunks of it are going back to the old country. This weakens our economy.

Coincidentally with the arrival of a vast number of EU migrants, private rents in my city increased by 80%. A private rent is now unaffordable for many working people, even in two-adult households with two full time jobs, two side jobs and no dependants. We see their payslips and their bills, they're not fools wasting their money on beer, ciggies and gambling - local people are sinking into destitution trying to keep a modest roof over their heads.

I deal with planning enquiries and there are ever more illegal conversions, unlicensed firetrap HMOs (30 people in a three bedroom house, anyone? Not that unusual). Beds in sheds? We got 'em. Fires caused by overloaded electicals in overcrowded dives? Oh yes. The slums which we cleared from this country a few generations back are creeping back again.

I get to tell mothers that their children will have to attend a primary school two miles away, not the one on the estate where they live, where they grew up and where they reasonably expected their child to attend. And I know fine well that they will overhear other school run parents who are taking their children into the school they can't get into speaking various eastern european languages. And that they will have near impossible school runs and spend money they haven't got to spare on busfares, because they have been displaced by foriegners.

If I want to see my GP, I can see a GP in about 4 weeks. If I wanted to be sure of seeing my own registered GP, I could be looking at a 6 week wait. Each and every time I have been at my GP surgery, waiting in line, I have heard a new economic migrant ask to register. And the signage there now has to be in 12 languages.

My hometown has had rapes and murders perpetrated by Eurozone migrants who were already known criminals in their own countries before they came here. Same in my city. Because we can't exercise any quality control with free movement.

My hometown has had squatter camps of single EU males around it for months at a time, on commons and in the woods. The squalor and the intimidation of dog-walkers and passers-by was incredible.

If I walk around my hometown or my city, very many people are clearly from eastern europe - you're hearing English as a minority language. Former council houses are packed with 5 adults as only they are able to afford the stiff rents. The rentier class gets richer, as do allied trades such as estate agents, whilst ordinary Brits trying to raise a small family can't hope to pay that much - rents are actually higher than net full-time wages for many working-class people here. And we're nowhere near Lunnon Town or any of the famously pricey parts of the country.

An elderly lady of my acquaintance is beside herself with fury that her grandchild's education is being disrupted because the whole class gets sent home from secondary school because 'the translators didn't come'. The children who need the translation can't be sent home without the whole class, including the native speakers of English, being sent home, too.

Wages here for ordinary jobs haven't increased, other than by minimum wage micro-hikes, for a decade. My Dad's old job is being advertised for less than he was paid for doing it 8 years ago. Because there is a glut of labour; if you won't do it, someone else will.

Everywhere I look, I see stresses and strains caused by EU economic migration. There are too many people from too many foriegn countries competing for scarce resources where I live. I can't speak for where you live, and what you see and know, only you can know that.

I don't have anything against foriegners per se. I have a lot of anger towards the UK government for selling the poorest sections of British society down the river. Those who already the poorest, the weakest, the most vulnerable Britons, are suffering life-changing disadvantages because of the European super-project.

The elite classes, both here and abroad, might regard that as acceptable. It's easy to be cavalier with other people's fates when you're sure that you and yours won't be sharing their distress and disadvantage.

I think it isn't acceptable. Which is why I voted Brexit, and why I really really hope a majority of the electorate will do likewise.

jk0

Well said GQ. Crikey, I didn't know you had shanty towns.

GreyQueen

jk0 wrote: »

Well said GQ. Crikey, I didn't know you had shanty towns.

There have been shanty towns in and around many British towns and cities, jk0.

One of my neighbours drew her bedroom curtains one morning (ground floor flat like mine) and had a close-up view of a man's posterior as he crap.ped on the grass just under her window; several foriegn men had set up camp on the small scrap of grass just outside. We regularly have tents pitched on the parks, the roundabouts and all sorts of bits of land.

The police move them on and the council picks up their trash, sh*t and discarded possessions; our council tax pounds hard at work.

Even people in the nicer parts of the city, the ones with the bigger houses, are finding the neighbouring properties going slumlord on them.

Which means, lovely peeps, that in this property-owning democracy, it could be your own neighbourhood about to go slummy and a firetrap home sharing your party wall one day.

maryb

Someone who comes here to work for a few years - and work hard, there's no denying- is basically exploiting the difference between currencies' purchasing power. Selling their labour at a high price and repatriating it to buy goods and services at a low price. And you can't blame them.

But it is still arbitraging exchange differences, even if they are not sitting at a forex desk in the City. And it's a zero sum game

It is trade, and investment, not migration, that makes us ALL more prosperous. What we have at present is the commoditisation of labour and the enrichment of the elite.

That's not social justice