Preparedness for when

monnagran

Interesting comment on TV this morning.

Those voting REMAIN are voting with their heads and in fear.
Those voting LEAVE are voting with their hearts and in anger.

x

Cappella

We see the effects of this uncontrolled immigration (legal or otherwise) in our queues at the doctors surgery, difficulties in getting our children in school places, etc - but, at the less important (ie leisure) level - there are also these knock-on effects.

The nurses and doctors who saved my life last year were Iranian, Pakistani, Angolan, Somalian, Nigerian, Czechs, Polish, Scottish English and Roumanian. The majority of carers at my mothers Dementia unit, all of whom genuinely do their very best for the patients were Eastern European and African. The man who gave me his seat on the bus today was a Syrian. My window cleaner is Polish and my best friend is Indian. All of them were originally economic migrants, or refugees (not sure about the man on the bus to be fair.) Personally I think we should stop blaming immigrants for all that's wrong in our lives and start to look at the many and varied contributions they make to our society.
Although I'm curious about how your leisure pursuits are affected. I haven't noticed a shortage of books, knitting wool or societies and clubs here. Maybe I'm missing something.

Karmacat

Oh that *is* interesting, monnagran.

jk0

Cappella wrote: »

The nurses and doctors who saved my life last year were Iranian, Pakistani, Angolan, Somalian, Nigerian, Czechs, Polish, Scottish English and Roumanian. The majority of carers at my mothers Dementia unit, all of whom genuinely do their very best for the patients were Eastern European and African. The man who gave me his seat on the bus today was a Syrian. My window cleaner is Polish and my best friend is Indian. All of them were originally economic migrants, or refugees (not sure about the man on the bus to be fair.) Personally I think we should stop blaming immigrants for all that's wrong in our lives and start to look at the many and varied contributions they make to our society.
Although I'm curious about how your leisure pursuits are affected. I haven't noticed a shortage of books, knitting wool or societies and clubs here. Maybe I'm missing something.

Hmm. But isn't it rather 'imperial' of us to import foreigners to do all our rubbish jobs, while paying workshy British people to do nothing?

(Isn't this one step away from America importing slaves in the past to work in the fields?)

Cappella

Anbsolutely. But then again welfare benefits don't do anyone any favours long term do they? And I personally am truly grateful that someone IS prepared to do the work. And I certainly don't consider doctors or nurses to be doing 'rubbish jobs. Or working in a care home to be a worthless occupation either - though it's grossly underpaid work frankly.

VJsmum

jk0 wrote: »

Hmm. But isn't it rather 'imperial' of us to import foreigners to do all our rubbish jobs, while paying workshy British people to do nothing?

(Isn't this one step away from America importing slaves in the past to work in the fields?)

No. we aren't importing them. They are coming here because there are jobs for them - jobs that UK citizens won't or can't do. We certainly aren't going into their countries and forcibly removing them.

That there is a wage suppression because of foreign labour is open to question - i don't know enough about it to be able to comment. I do know that in my industry, construction, there is an ever increasing number of eastern european employees working on sites and the contractors are finding it difficult to recruit UK people. The site I have some knowledge of (Battersea Power Station) is right by a large estate, but can't get people from that estate interested, whereas E. Europeans travel many miles in order to get to work. What the demographics are in relation to the lack of interest from that estate, i wouldn't know. The system is faulty, i don't think anyone is denying that, but I believe it is better to stay in and sort it out from the inside, than leave and 'see what happens'.

Why anyone is taking the word of Boris and Michael Gove (Michael Gove, !!!!!!) as champions of the 'hard working, working classes' however is beyond me.

Karmacat

And Capella's post also talked about the nurses and doctors, not just the "rubbish" jobs. Certainly, the two non-UK people who've married into my family are professionals - a dentist and a financial whiz.

jk0

Karmacat wrote: »

And Capella's post also talked about the nurses and doctors, not just the "rubbish" jobs. Certainly, the two non-UK people who've married into my family are professionals - a dentist and a financial whiz.

Hmm. Well even that is not ideal, because we are taking away the professionals that would otherwise be serving people in their own countries.

mrs-moneypenny

monnagran wrote: »

Interesting comment on TV this morning.

Those voting REMAIN are voting with their heads and in fear.
Those voting LEAVE are voting with their hearts and in anger.

x

I think my vote comes from my gut feeling.

My 21 year old DS has just been forced to leave the room after becoming irritated by the desperation of David Cameron's latest plea to the voters. I found this rather amusing as my son is viewing this referendum from the other side of the vote to me but if David Cameron continues he is alienating people who were agreeing with him. Plus not sure what other people's views are but being not at all interested in footie having David beckham try to advise him either way also got his gander up.

Was Just saying on sky that the vote is purely advisory and it is up to the government wether they actually act upon the will of the people. I'm thinking civil unrest if they dare to pull that one how ever the vote goes.

Karmacat

jk0 wrote: »

Hmm. Well even that is not ideal, because we are taking away the professionals that would otherwise be serving people in their own countries.

It's not about ideals, though, it's about reality.

A young cousin of mine got 4 x A* at uni, and wants to be a doctor. The number of university places allowed for training doctors is limited centrally, so I now believe, and as a result she was offered a delayed place, she had to wait a year before she could start to train. The number of UK doctors is therefore held artificially low.