Preparedness for when

NewShadow

GreyQueen wrote: »

Ooooo, are you a civil servant, NewShadow?

*cough* no comment *cough*

Tho... not west-monster. Nor agriculture.

I was born in semi-rural cheshire, then raised in rural mid-wales.

Saw some 'poor' farmers get away with murder.

But... no-one's answering my question - How're we gonna prep' for the upcoming civil unrest?

I'm surrounded by students, so I'm banking on apathy seeing me through :rotfl:


EDIT - Just noticed this bit:

We just give 'em the MP's contact details and let 'em get on with it

And then chances are I'm the one that has to draft the response on behalf of the Minister!

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Newshadow..

On the top of the prep list for the forth coming events a big bag of popcorn and a comfy chair , sit back and just watch lol..

I bought a book off Amazon, ( 1p plus postage )that arrived yesterday called the castle of lies, by Christopher booker and Richard north... ' why Britain must get out of Europe. It was written in 1996.. a friend mentioned this book on fb..

Edit.... Do you think there might be a coalition in the welsh assembly???

NewShadow

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

Edit.... Do you think there might be a coalition in the welsh assembly???

Erm... purely factual response...

Labour lost a seat in the Gower in the nationals. A seat that they'd held for over 100 years. To the Conservatives. After a very unpopular Conservative led government. And the First Minister is campaigning to stay in Europe.

Frugalsod

NewShadow wrote: »

I'm also finding the papers interesting today - I was reading all about how the EU has given us all our decent working conditions, and how we'll go back to the victorian ways of working under the conservatives if we leave - all said by the TUC General Secretary, Frances O'Grady.

Hold on a sec... I thought "Strong Trade Unions"™ were responsible for our 'fabulous' working conditions?

It was unions that gave us good working conditions since the turn of the last century. It was the anti union bashing since the 1980's that has lead to our widening income and wealth equality. It has got far worse when Labour and New Labour abandoned its roots and many wages have basically stagnated since 2003 in real terms. That is using official figures. It is probably worse if you use the same definitions of inflation from the past.

nuatha

NewShadow wrote: »

But... no-one's answering my question - How're we gonna prep' for the upcoming civil unrest?

I'm surrounded by students, so I'm banking on apathy seeing me through :rotfl:

I've known some seriously wealthy farmers, and known more who've needed at least one external job to provide income to survive. Land tends to be fairly valuable, but its not necessarily an asset that is easily realised.

As far as prepping for whichever outcome occurs and the consequences thereof, I don't see it as any different from my general prepping - foodstocks to try to offset rising prices and smooth out shortages. Cash reserves (assuming I can rebuild them) and keeping a range of practical transferable skills as up to date as I can.

Frugalsod

NewShadow wrote: »

So... leaving Europe - worst case scenario - prepping.

Factors to consider (short term - next 6 months - 2 years):

Food prices - prices could go up - even during the run up to the vote, as currency fluctuations and uncertainty effect the market
Economic - Unemployment could go up as businesses hedge their bets
Utilities - Power bills could go up - We do import a lot of power at the moment, but then again we also sell a fair whack, and don't have to buy via Europe.
Civil unrest - their could be strikes or protests
Political - David cameron could likely have to resign (leaving us leaderless), and Scotland could secede from the union

Hold on... that last one ... were we talking worst case?

Any negative options I've left out?

So, how do you prepare?

I think even if we stayed in the civil unrest would be just as bad because of the economy. It has still not fully recovered and many areas are probably tinderboxes for riots after years of austerity.

So we should prep either way as there are no easy solutions either way. I do think that exiting will do more for workers than staying in. With internal strains within the EU increasing because of mismanagement and many predicting the end of the euro in a few years whether or not it takes down the rest of the EU. Finland is considering exit as well. EU membership has been great for big firms along with globalisation but not good for workers, and maybe it is not so bad out there outside the EU. We could have a head start on dealing with problems which if the EU collapses eventually it could be good for us longer term. So while it is a risk I think it is a risk that we should take, it offers improvements that are simply not possible within the current structure.

Frugalsod

nuatha wrote: »

As far as prepping for whichever outcome occurs and the consequences thereof, I don't see it as any different from my general prepping - foodstocks to try to offset rising prices and smooth out shortages. Cash reserves (assuming I can rebuild them) and keeping a range of practical transferable skills as up to date as I can.

That is how I feel. I will have depleted my cash piles with my coming move but will have plenty to do while I rebuild them. I am concentrating on clearing debts first then rapidly rebuilding my cash balances and food stocks after that.

nuatha

Frugalsod wrote: »

That is how I feel. I will have depleted my cash piles with my coming move but will have plenty to do while I rebuild them. I am concentrating on clearing debts first then rapidly rebuilding my cash balances and food stocks after that.

I cut back on the number of hours I was working due to Herself having health problems, then MiL had a stroke then I developed some additional major health problems of my own - cash reserves were used to cover for a while but being finite they have been almost exhausted (I'm actually glad I hadn't cleared the mortgage four years ago). Rebuilding from this level will be difficult and impossible without a dramatic improvement in my health - but without the preps I wouldn't have had the freedom to put family first or take the time out from work needed for medical reasons. Having said that we are still keeping our head above water, just don't have the margins that we've previously enjoyed.

fuddle

We're told that EU rules prevented government help in propping up our steel industry. We're told that the EU laws in this free market are strict when it comes to the commodity of steel. What we're seldom told is what the Italian's bailed out their steel works. What we're not told is that steel isn't really what our government sees as an asset any more, there's ample from elsewhere and quite cheap. Good this free market stuff eh?

Hey I know nothing but I read and I interpret in my own way. In my opinion our government didn't see value in saving our steel industry and hid behind EU legislation.

I'll be watching and interpreting in my own way but both my head and my heart are indicating one way very strongly already.

armyknife

GreyQueen wrote: »

I was gutted to learn that set-aside had been stopped. I had a scruffy bit at the top of the allotment for a few years which I wanted to claim for, drat it.

GeQu, is that a euphemism?