Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

My sympathies on that one GQ. Having spent many years as a civil servant - I came to thoroughly resent always always always working under some level or other of security alert for many years latterly.

If I had got the feeling that something was "amiss" - then I would have just headed straight out of the building as far as my little legs could have carried me and dealt with any "tellings-off" for doing so later (obviously telling anyone by phone who knew me well enough to "listen" that I thought that some security checking needed doing, etc).

But I have only really come to appreciate since retirement that I always felt slightly "on edge" when I was at work - quite apart from the way things were with the job itself iyswim. To me - it was a constant low-level "noise in the background" level of feeling on alert just in case and I wasn't happy about it. I cant help feeling that this permanent level of "adrenaline flowing" at that low level cannot be good for employees that have to work like that.

moneyistooshorttomention

Well Nuatha - and you were right on that point. Nicola Sturgeon is at it already trying to stir it for another Referendum. She's seen her chance personally then....:cool:

Boris Johnson is the plus side - he's come out for Coming Out (though that's also for personal reasons - of much the same nature as Sturgeon).

Perhaps we ought to have a little diversion of "Hunt the Honourable Politician" (ie in it for all the right reasons). Do you think we would stand any chance of finding one?

Am remembering a comment my father made whilst I was still a child and he was cross-questioning me about my motives for doing something and taking the opportunity to teach me that it always mattered what someone's personal motives were for doing anything and he would rather someone didn't do something than did it for the wrong reasons (ie personal ones).

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Being organised, looking ahead to what 'might' happen not just locally to where you are living but nationally, worldwide and making what provision you can really IS only common sense. It's what the sensible person will do, it hurts no one, it makes minds easier about the aftermath of any situation and building supplies/equipment/knowledge is something that can be done gradually and over a period of time. Making contingency plans to stay safely (as much as you can) either at home, in your workplace or with friends/family in the event of problems is also really just common sense. It makes you less part of the clear up afterwards, less part of the problem in the first place and less likely if you can bar the doors and not have to be travelling to be hurt or caught up in a mass of angry people and at risk of injury, arrest, or even losing your life. I've always thought it a responsibility of my own to keep family home and self as safe as it's possible to do (and I do realise that sometimes the situation is far too dangerous to do that and the emergency services would be the only way of achieving that) the emergency services/police/army are finite resources and not able to give universal cover in a really dire countrywide emergency. I'd hate to be in the situation of having NOTHING to help myself with because I lived on a day to day basis and never took my head out of the bucket of sand. I know we preppers are looked on as the edge of the lunatic fringe by most of the rest of the world but really? I think we have a grasp on reality and an eye on the uncertainties of life that might just give us ALL the wherewithal to be survivors of a good percentage (not all by any means) of situations that we found ourselves having to cope with out of the blue.

mardatha

Nicola Sturgeon is not stirring it. She is saying the same thing she has always said.
Re the Westminster lot I'm expecting a blizzard of headlines now - anything up to and including "Return of Black Death if we Leave Europe" ...

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Followed closely in the media by 'Return of Black Death if we don't pull out'!!!

thriftwizard

I've had riots breakout on my doorstep (thankfully not for some time) But one lot was literally between me and the only ways out of the area, petrol bombs and burning cars within a few hundred yards is not an experience I'd want to repeat (nor be any closer to, we were lucky that it didn't reach our location and that it petered out when it did)
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I phoned my niece at the height of the Hackney riots to check she was OK, as she lived more or less in the centre. "No, no, I'm fine, it's OK, it's not come any closer than the end of the road!" she assured me. Said road being, oh, at least 100 yards long... I worked in Brixton in the early 80s so know all too well what that feels like. One more reason why I'm inclined to have a few minor preps up my sleeve.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Mrs LW.

When I started mentioning about prepping to my hubby, he used to laugh, and started referring to the American TV shows about the extreme preppets, but slowly I think he can now see the serious side of it, especially now when SHTF for us back in September when hubbys business went to the wall, and that was our household main income.. Its me that suffers from stress and depression, but after the bud Ness went hubby came down like a sack of poo.. And wouldn't even recognise there was a problem... . in the end I sold my business stock in December so we had money to live on etc.. We managed to get him to the Dr's at the end of January.. Our eldest managed to get nd a job.. But me, I can't even find a pt job.. And the places I know there were jobs going and gone in to ask, have taken on youngsters I honestly think the new living wage that's being the hased in from April has something to do with it..

Some people think I shouldn't have sold my stock, but before I could make any money for myself the rent on the premises had to be paid etc..

So this year I am upping my game with growing and production ng our own food.. And gradually changing over to heritage seeds, so we can save our own seeds for the following year..

As for the government employment figures... They are a joke. My husband went to the job centre the day they locked him out of his work unit.. And they told him to go to the Dr's... I should imagine there are thousands and thousands more people that don't sign on for one reason or another..

I don't trust a politician as far as I could throw them.. Well def not this government anyway!!

fuddle

Those that voted in 1975 has what was suggested then come to fruition? Has being part of the EU been all it was cracked up to be? Were the debates then truthful? Did we know to the extent our own government wouldn't be able to bail out our own industry without permission from the EU? How much of our export already heads for non EU countries?

I just wish all this political dilly dallying, individuals building up their part and discussion about what might kickstart sould the vote go either way just cease to make way for decent debate about actually making that decision.

One other question... how easy is it to leave the EU? I ask because there's billions of lost revenue for the EU at stake and I find it extremely bizarre that that contribution isn't protected in some way.

Ho hum. MITSTM I don't know what box you wish to open surrounding my head and my heart. You'be lost me there pet. Be nice... I'm liking reading your posts of late

maryb

Fuddle I'm showing my age here but I was assuming MTSTM's reference was to an old black and white (!!!!) TV quiz show with Hughie Green. If you guessed the answer you were given a choice of taking a prize of a set amount of money or "opening the box" - which might - or might not- have a more valuable prize. So when a contestant was faced with making a choice some in the audience would shout "take the money" and the other half would shout "open the box"

COOLTRIKERCHICK

I know this might sound like a silly question, but would there be a bailing out fee??? Where Britain would have to pay x amount for leaving the EU, a bit like when you got to pay your way out of a contract etc

Also does anyone exactly how much we pay into the EU pot every year, and how much is issued back to us in grants etc?