Preparedness for when

nuatha

fuddle wrote: »

As far as I can make out (source telegraph report plus looking at a government paper) we pay around 8/9 billion net for our EU membership. It is expected to go up by 3 billion in the next 5 years.

Net cost is £35 million per day, £8.75 billion if a 5 day week is used for calculations, less than 0.5% of GDP. (Incidentally we pay less per head thanGermany, Sweden, the Netherlands, Austria, Finland and Belgium). The CBI reckon that EU membership is worth around £70 billion to the UK economy.

armyknife wrote: »

I think he's just confusing the s**** that is this big money, post-thatcherite wasteland with it being the EU's fault.

If the like of John Redwood, Iain Duncan Smith and their fellow travellers get their way and we become some sort of neo-casino capitalism playground island cast off in the mid-atlantic, then if you're poor or vulnerable god help you, because their 'logical' outcome for you is the return of the workhouse.

That's a bit harsh - one description I've heard used is National Park UK with beautifully preserved and manicured countryside for exclusive access by the international jetset as a reward for doing business in the City. The less well off nationals (other than those required to service the elite) will be starved out of existence - or pushed into ghettos hidden away from the elite.

Its dead easy to blame the EU, even easier to blame Thatcher and the tories, but the electorate voted as the mass media told them to (the media that's owned by international businessmen who do business in the City). If you think of what's in the best interests of the UK as what brings in the most money, then that's the international jetset who do business in the City, so we no longer have major industry. If you think its the welfare of the citizens, then you need the system to be changed.

And the relevancy of this to prepping, there's only one way to build the future you want to live in, and either way the transition is going to be rough - and far rougher on those who don't plan and prep ahead.

ivyleaf

maryb wrote: »

Fuddle I'm showing my age here but I was assuming MTSTM's reference was to an old black and white (!!!!) TV quiz show with Hughie Green. If you guessed the answer you were given a choice of taking a prize of a set amount of money or "opening the box" - which might - or might not- have a more valuable prize. So when a contestant was faced with making a choice some in the audience would shout "take the money" and the other half would shout "open the box"

That's what I was thinking too. would it have been "Take Your Pick - with Michael Miles"? Though Hughie Green might have taken it over from him, perhaps

melodramaticme

I think it was "Double Your Money" with Hughie Green

GreyQueen

I was a child when the 1975 vote on staying in the Common Market was taken and cannot recall it, roller skates being more my thing than current affairs at the time. My parents well remember all the propaganda from both sides, though, and they were anti back then and will be voting to leave now.

What was on the table was staying in a trading partnership. No mention of becoming part of a United States of Europe, open borders, a shared currency, European courts overiding national courts and the decisions of national governments.

I don't consider myself a xenophobe, but I do have a lot to do with housing among the poorest sections of society. I know native citizens of this city who are badly and expensively and insecurely housed in the private sector and who are desperate to get a council flat/ house. And they can't and probably never will, and yet I see shortlists which are entirely composed of eastern Europeans. And some are so newly arrived that we're having to supply translators to talk to them.

To me, a nation's ruling caste should prioritise the needs to its indigenous population over the needs and wants of foriegners. If it doesn't, and the last several governments of both stripes are guilty, then it has broken a sacred trust. People are competing for scarce resources (affordable housing) and having real wages held down artificially by the influx of foreign labour. This so-called living wage which we're supposed to be so grateful for is still less than a factory hand got 10 years ago around here!:mad:

These costs are not felt equally by all sectors of society. They fall heaviest on people who are already in a precarious position; the working class. Someone who is comfortably housed and either doesn't need to work for a living, or is in the higher echelons of the workforce, may feel relaxed and comfortable with 3 million foriegn nationals in the UK labour market. I don't, and I don't like walking around my home town or my home city in a constant wash of foreign languages. It feels as if I am being crowded out of my own country, and that TPTB are deliberately making my life, and the lives of people like me, more precarious and expensive than they would otherwise be. Hell, private rents doubled here all of a sudden when the mass movements of people from Eastern Europe happened. Landlords are making out like bandits.

I don't know what proportion of the eligible electorate will chose to vote in the EU referendum but, based on local and partiamentary elections, it is likely to be heavily-weighted towards the middle and older sections of the population.

Something I hear constantly from the under 35s in how they don't vote because it doesn't change anything. This is parroted as an article of faith, as if it's a natural law. A lot of this cohort don't vote at all and may well not vote this time, which will mean that they don't get a say. And, in my best guestimate, means a majority for leaving the EU is more likely than otherwise.

If nothing else, the older you are, the longer your memories, and the more time you have to see through political lies.

mardatha

I'd like to know how the EU are protecting us against the workhouse..

GreyQueen

mardatha wrote: »

I'd like to know how the EU are protecting us against the workhouse..

Call Yannis and Elenia over in Athens and they'll tell ya.

fuddle

I've been listening to a conservative MP who has shelved her bill to get rules tightened around the safety of children's fancy dress and halloween customes. Shelved because EU rules say no.

moneyistooshorttomention

GreyQueen wrote: »

If nothing else, the older you are, the longer your memories, and the more time you have to see through political lies.

Two quotes coming to mind here:

- No point in getting older if you don't get wiser
- I wasn't born yesterday

coming to mind

Ohgawd - I'm quoting my father again...:rotfl:...but those are the phrases coming to mind...

My father was brought up in Council housing and says he can remember when it was pretty much a given that people would get given Council housing (near their family/friends/etc) without too much problem.

Fast forward from there to having to fight for it...to fight even harder for it...."Is there any darn Council housing much left these days?" and I do tend to agree that if you've paid your dues so to say then you expect the "return" on them to be yours personally...and then see if there is any spare to give away...

NewShadow

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Two quotes coming to mind here:

- No point in getting older if you don't get wiser
- I wasn't born yesterday

coming to mind

Ohgawd - I'm quoting my father again...:rotfl:...but those are the phrases coming to mind...

My father was brought up in Council housing and says he can remember when it was pretty much a given that people would get given Council housing (near their family/friends/etc) without too much problem.

Fast forward from there to having to fight for it...to fight even harder for it...."Is there any darn Council housing much left these days?" and I do tend to agree that if you've paid your dues so to say then you expect the "return" on them to be yours personally...and then see if there is any spare to give away...

Ye Gods!

Just imaging when I get as ancient as you... I'll be as smart as an irritatingly clever person

COOLTRIKERCHICK

GQ... I wish I could press the thanks button umpteen it mes for your post...

I heard on the radio that the value of the £ went down against the Euro, and the dollar etc