Preparedness for when

jk0

I found it interesting that those men that recently robbed the safe deposit firm in Hatton Garden were all but one in their 50's & above.

I expect younger lads would know that was impossible to get away with nowadays due to CCTV coverage almost everywhere in London.

Frugalsod

jk0 wrote: »

I found it interesting that those men that recently robbed the safe deposit firm in Hatton Garden were all but one in their 50's & above.

I expect younger lads would know that was impossible to get away with nowadays due to CCTV coverage almost everywhere in London.

I put it down to pensioner poverty. They probably saw their pension statements. :mad:

GreyQueen

the cake, the fraud I was referring to, which will always have to be investigated, is benefit fraud, not other kinds of fraud. For this kind, DWP or local government will decide between them who will 'lead' on an investigation which encompasses both centrally provided benefits and ones claimed from local government like HB.

This is compulsory. Any malicious nitwit can make groundless accusations about another person and get an investigation started.

This is different from the Police refusing to investigate the kind of commercial fraud you are referring to, which is truly appalling and I feel very angry on your behalf.

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Been busy about my work and playing wiv the bows and arrows this evening. Twang!! Have also extracted some spondulicks from the belly of the beast, which I may spend on shelf-stable grocery items, on the QT.

Re mobiles, a friend who is an ambulance dispatcher tells me that they triangulate the signal from mobile phones to find out exactly where the caller is. In the city it's pretty easy as there are enough base stations to get a good fix. In the countryside, it is much harder.

When we broke down in Yorkshire a couple of years back, I was able to tell the roadside rescue person exactly where we were (i.e. on the A thingummy, northbound, just outside Wotsit village by the junction to X). He thanked me for the exactness and the driver, when he arrived, told us that most of their customers don't have a clue where they are when they breakdown and often can't even tell which direction they were heading, which means that the rescue truck can be searching for them in all the wrong places. I was map-reading at the time and knew to within a few yards where we were when the car died on us.

The trouble will relying on a mobile to track a criminal is it would be relatively easy to accidentally slip a 'hot' mobile onto a moving vehicle and let it lead the pursuit in the wrong direction. Such as dropping it onto a flatbed truck, slipping it into the edge of a seat on a bus or train, or casually letting it fall into the open bag or pocket of a stranger.

maryb

That was what they did in one of the Bourne films wasn't it? He slipped his phone into the pocket of an innocent commuter so he could get out of Waterloo station. They saw him do it on CCTV and went after the poor commuter as if he was an accomplice

GreyQueen

maryb wrote: »

That was what they did in one of the Bourne films wasn't it? He slipped his phone into the pocket of an innocent commuter so he could get out of Waterloo station. They saw him do it on CCTV and went after the poor commuter as if he was an accomplice

I haven't seen that film but it seemed obvious to me. If you are wedded to the idea that Person X's phone and Person X are always in the same place, you can be misled into tracking a device which is moving in the opposite direction. It's a communication device not a spare limb. Mind you, some people would probably give up at least a digit rather than be sundered from them.:rotfl:

greenbee

at a previous employer we had field-based staff. Occasionally there would be an irate customer asking where one of them was... the individual concerned would have checked in as being with them. We soon learned not to say this, but to check the location of their (tracked) vehicle and of their phone. Generally the vehicle would be close to the customer location (sometimes they could see it...) and the phone would be somewhat closer to the nearest cafe or pub...

Frugalsod

greenbee wrote: »

and the phone would be somewhat closer to the nearest cafe or pub...

Yes the real source of the problem to be solved.

boddy

Been watching a programme called Hunted where members of the public go on the run and are hunted by ex intelligence, army and police experts. It's been on a few weeks. Even though I know a bit about how you can be tracked I was amazed. Some were caught quickly by using a mobile phone, bank machine or the APN system. A doctor managed to evade them for quite a while as he had some knowledge re evasion. The hunters got into people's social network accounts. Found info about their friends, their habits etc. Quite scary how you can be tracked.

greenbee

boddy wrote: »

Quite scary how you can be tracked.

... and yet my boss frequently feels the need to ask me where I am... :cool:

GreyQueen

People who are put into witness protection programmes are at risk of being found if they make any contact with family or friends or even continue with the same interests and pastimes as they formerly enjoyed. Random connections happen more often than you think.

My Dad was halfway up a mountain when a passing walker greeted him by name - work colleague. They were several hundred miles from work and home. I was once walking into Victoria Coach Station and realised the women crossing the road in front of me was my cousin; we chatted on our way back into our region, neither of us go the the big city more than once a decade, if that, and neither knew the other was travelling that day.

I could (but won't) bore you with a dozen other examples, some of which involve people bumping into people abroad, even in the oppostie hemisphere. A pal who works as a private detective (mostly done online these days) reckons that almost anyone can be found in about 40 minutes.