Preparedness for when

Nargleblast

Here here, mardatha! If you don't look after yourself and your own first, how the hell can you help others?

I agree with Greyqueen that any migrants caught coming in illegally should be instantly sent back to where they came from, but there will be problems sometimes identifying their country of origin so that may take longer than 48 hours.

Certainly the young men of working age who claim their lives would be in danger back home should be, let's say looked at with a sceptical eye.( Hang on, sonny, you say your life would be in danger, yet you have left your wife, your kids and your poor old granny back home in that hellhole? Don't piddle on my foot and tell me it's raining!)

I perfectly understand the motive to want to start afresh and make something of your life, but we cannot take every economic migrant in the world into our tiny island, and the people in the media who spout terms like compassion, diversity etc often tend to live in nice comfortable places with few migrants and none of the social problems found in poorer parts of the country. Let them take a few thousand migrants in their nice areas and stand by for the rebirth of NIMBYism.

The work, money and time needs to be focussed on helping people make their own countries better places to live in and wiping out the evil gangs preying on these people. It is not a quick fix solution, but until the United Nations grows a set of balls and starts addressing this problem we will all keep on aimlessly putting a sticking plaster over a bleeding wound by constantly picking up people in boats or repairing holes in fences.

Karmacat

I'm liking these posts, thank you all.

To be honest, I think this is the slow, slow deepening of the social and economic concerns we already have. I think we're heading for something bad, and most people won't realise until we're there. Like the 1930s before World War Two, unfortunately. We look back at those times, and we can see plenty of signals of what was to come - but it wasn't 100% obvious all of the time to all of the people. And "society" today is a lot more technologically dependent, the skills mostly aren't there to make do with less. I really do foresee bad problems ahead.

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How do you convey the true situation here in the UK though to people who have nothing and are working on the totally false misapprehensions that our country will give them a house, a job, money to live on, free and complete education and health care, altogether a better life and anything they could possibly desire to have too if they can only get here by any means available? The song from 'An American Tail' says there are no cats in America and the streets are paved with cheese, which has as much in common with the reality as the idea that the UK is easy street.

Butterfly_Brain

Talking about the lorry tailbacks in Kent and France.

I found this on a US site, it is very US centric but it is scary how quickly things will run out post shtf especially as the majority of supermarkets work on a 24 hour delivery system in this country

boultdj

Must remember to get dryed milk in for OH's coffee, I can drink my tea black or switch to home made herbal[ton's of lemon balm and mint] also another bottle of water. Thank you for the info on the truck's BB.

Frugalsod

There would be more impact in some businesses much quicker. Any company using Just In Time management could have to stop all production within a day or so, many logistics operators have specified delivery windows and if you missed them it could be 24 hours before another slot becomes available. The supermarkets with their centralised hubs have such systems and goods that could be going almost straight out to stores will not be there. So gaps in supermarket shelves would appear within a couple of days even without any panic buying.

Hospitals also have drug supply contracts with wholesalers and you could see problems within hours.

Many of the issues on that chart were discovered during the petrol blockade in the early 2000's. When you consider how vulnerable many nations actually are to a petrol shortage you wonder why governments are not pushing for more electric trucks and tractors. With the scope for windmills and solar panels and the significantly reduced maintenance costs of electric vehicles why there are not more electric lorries? Further out oil is going to be uneconomic for tractors so why no development of electric tractors?

nuatha

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

How do you convey the true situation here in the UK though to people who have nothing and are working on the totally false misapprehensions that our country will give them a house, a job, money to live on, free and complete education and health care, altogether a better life and anything they could possibly desire to have too if they can only get here by any means available? The song from 'An American Tail' says there are no cats in America and the streets are paved with cheese, which has as much in common with the reality as the idea that the UK is easy street.

I saw an interview several months ago, a would be illegal immigrant waving a copy of the Daily Mail as proof that he would get all those things when he got to Britain, and then Britain would pay to fly his family out to join him.
There are far too many people in the UK who believe that illegals and asylum seekers are kept in absolute luxury by the state and huge amounts of blatant lies in the media reinforcing this, that we can't expect anyone outside the country to see the truth.

The media are announcing thousands besieging the channel tunnel, because the French police cont every attempt to cross the fence. So ten attempts to climb or cross the fence by the same individual is reported as 10 people, 200 people being reasonably persistent could be 4000 attempts to cross the fence, and be reported by British media as a swarm of 4-5000.

Unfortunately its easy to criticise, but I don't have any easy answers. The tunnel is currently the easy target, but if its closed then the ferries become the main target again.

Doveling

Nargleblast wrote: »

The work, money and time needs to be focussed on helping people make their own countries better places to live in and wiping out the evil gangs preying on these people. It is not a quick fix solution, but until the United Nations grows a set of balls and starts addressing this problem we will all keep on aimlessly putting a sticking plaster over a bleeding wound by constantly picking up people in boats or repairing holes in fences.

:T This^^^

As armyknife says, many of these people may be responding to their own SHTF situations. The sense of desperation is heart breaking.

Nuatha - I regularly holiday in Cloud Cuckoo Land :rotfl:
We think alike on this

Butterfly Brain - I also think it is scary that the supermarkets work on the "just in time" model. A small blip and things go pear-shaped.

Karmacat - the similarities between the 1930's and the situation in Europe now are becoming more and more obvious

My experiment on a day without electricity did not go well
Son staged a revolution over the Xbox and my attempts with a flat iron .......well, good job it was an old T-shirt:rotfl:

Mrs. LW is so right, no use having stuff if you can't use it properly!

nuatha

Doveling wrote: »

:T This^^^

Butterfly Brain - I also think it is scary that the supermarkets work on the "just in time" model. A small blip and things go pear-shaped.

Back in the '80s I worked for one of the supermarket chains, typically 25% of the building would be warehouse and hold 5-6 weeks stock on ambient products. That meant a huge amount of money was tied up in stock, not to mention space that wasn't available for selling. Last time I was in the "back shop" of a supermarket, the warehouse space was smaller than the goods received area I used to know. I suspect the stockholding is down to 1.5 days on volume products. So a sudden upsurge in demand (panic buying due to snow forecasts) or delivery problems would leave bare shelves rather quickly.

My experiment on a day without electricity did not go well
Son staged a revolution over the Xbox and my attempts with a flat iron .......well, good job it was an old T-shirt:rotfl:

I don't think using the flat-iron to subdue your son and end the revolution was quite the original plan :rotfl:
I buy clothes that need minimal ironing and if SHTF, I suspect I won't be ironing anything

Mrs. LW is so right, no use having stuff if you can't use it properly!

She usually is.

mardatha

I haven't ironed anything for years!