Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

A weapon you aren't willing to use, is no weapon at all.

It's like threatening a naughty child with a sanction, then not carrying it through.

The child very quickly realises it's an idle threat, and goes straight back to defying you, probably even more determinedly.

My point was - those Army personnel with their weapons would be there as deterrent - but, if provoked, then they would be used. Hence why I'm advocating closing the Tunnel (permanently) as a peaceful solution to this problem BUT if they refuse to shut the Tunnel - then its the "less desirable" alternative instead and people will be shot (ie because there would be some migrants who wouldn't actually believe the "message" of weapons being carried - and tested to see if they would be used - and found they had got it wrong, as they were used).

jk0

Seems rather perverse for the British armed forces to be taking migrants off leaky boats in the Med, and ferrying them to Europe, only to threaten to shoot them if they dare cross to the UK.

It seems utterly mad to me to have rescued them off the boats in the first place. All they need to do now is wait for a British Navy ship to come in sight, then set off in a rowing boat, knowing they're on their way to Europe.

bluebag

jk0 wrote: »

Seems rather perverse for the British armed forces to be taking migrants off leaky boats in the Med, and ferrying them to Europe, only to threaten to shoot them if they dare cross to the UK.

It seems utterly mad to me to have rescued them off the boats in the first place. All they need to do now is wait for a British Navy ship to come in sight, then set off in a rowing boat, knowing they're on their way to Europe.

The Aussies sent them back, that's why they stopped trying to go there.
The tunnel is showing a profit of 100 million euros a year, you think with all that money someone would be able to come up with a viable solution.
The issue seems to be the brits don't want to deal with it and the french don't want to deal with it so it continues.

Sooner or later someone is going to get really miffed off and take the matter into 'vigilante' type hands and then it will really all go south.

moneyistooshorttomention

100 million euros for the Tunnel profit. What is that in £s?

Who exactly owns the Tunnel? Is it down to shareholders and who are those shareholders - and, if so, do they have Annual General Meetings or any other way for those shareholders to "have their say"? Or is it a joint British and French Government ownership situation?

I've never gone into ownership of the Tunnel before now and just who stumped up the costs/gets the profits.

What are the facts on the finances of that?

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You are right bluebag re someone might decide to do a vigilante thing - and I was carefully not mentioning it that I think its entirely possible someone might (eg blows up the Tunnel or something). Hastens to add - it wouldn't be me folks - I'd just take my own personal stance of "I wont attack ever - but I would defend myself personally if I had to".

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moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

100 million euros for the Tunnel profit. What is that in £s?

At todays exchange rate, given be Ramsdens Pawnbrokers, ~ £71,628,107

Who exactly owns the Tunnel?

It's owned by Groupe Eurotunnel SE.

Jacques Gounon is both Chairman and Chief Executive.

The company does have shareholders.

moneyistooshorttomention

There was me thinking "It must be a joint British/French thing". From those facts so far - it looks as if its just French!!

Isnt it a joint thing between our two countries?

bluebag

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

At todays exchange rate, given be Ramsdens Pawnbrokers, ~ £71,628,107



It's owned by Groupe Eurotunnel SE.

Jacques Gounon is both Chairman and Chief Executive.

The company does have shareholders.

Not exactly pocket change eh?
The longer the disruption to freight the more those paying that bill will look for alternatives.
Drivers are being put at risk, both with extended working hours stuck in a cab, attacks from migrants and the inability to turn their loads around in good time.

There is also goods being spoiled, food, pharmaceuticals, live plants and animals.

Some pharmaceutical loads cost big, big bux. Once the tunnel operators pay out millions in compensation things may change double quick.

The lawyers are probably circling now, certainly if I had shares in the tunnel I would be looking to get out pretty soon.

moneyistooshorttomention

I've just gone off for a quick google - to see what Wikipedia has to say about whose Tunnel it is anyway.

Musta been sleep "on the watch" on that one:shocked::shocked::shocked: - as its obviously 50% "ours" (well...it obviously should be) - but it doesn't seem to be from that....:o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotunnel

Have we got the word "mug" tattooed across our collective foreheads?

bluebag

Forgot to add, those goods stuck in that lovely Kent car park are not making it to the supermarket any time soon. There may well be further knock on effects to commerce.

Mr Cameron had better get some serious action going on very quickly or the 'recovery' may take a bit of a dip.
5,000 lorries with stuff going nowhere.

That's not even talking about the hit to tourism.

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moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

From those facts so far - it looks as if its just French!!

The company is based in Paris, but it is listed on both the London Stock Exchange and Euronext Paris, so it likely is a "joint British/French thing".

Isn't it a joint thing between our two countries?

The tunnel itself, obviously is , but whether the operation running it is, I'm not 100% sure, but, as above, being listed on both the London Stock Exchange and Euronext Paris, means it probably is a joint British/French thing.