Preparedness for when

rebeccalb

rosiepup2000 wrote: »

Does anyone know how long the ebola virus remains 'live' after it leaves the body of an infected person? Without wishing to scaremonger, I find it somewhat alarming to read/hear people saying that good hygiene/washing one's hands easily prevents infection spreading. The design of many public loos is so poor that you often have to touch a door handle to exit AFTER washing your hands - so if one person before you hasn't bothered to wash their hands you might as well not have bothered washing yours either. I've even seen people walk out without washing their hands after using hospital loos, where you would think people would be a bit more hygiene-aware! The best loo design is that used in US airports, where there's no actual door on the way in/out.

A lot of big service stations have that system too. I too have watched people walk out the toilet without washing their hands, and will usually wait for someone to walk in so I can grab the door rather than the handle.

jk0

Frugalsod wrote: »

As for having a cash stash you might need several years spending hidden somewhere. Iceland still has capital controls in place, as does Cyprus. Though you are more at risk of losing what money that you have at the bank than anything else, when the bank collapses and they simply seize your deposits to make ends meet. That is a bail in.

Thanks. Yes, I was also thinking several years might be necessary.

Of couse, that could also be seized by the simple expedient of them declaring existing £10, £20, and £50 notes obsolete.

calicocat

jk0 wrote: »

Thanks. Yes, I was also thinking several years might be necessary.

Of couse, that could also be seized by the simple expedient of them declaring existing £10, £20, and £50 notes obsolete.

That makes me feel slightly sick.....:eek:

GreyQueen

calicocat wrote: »

That makes me feel slightly sick.....:eek:

Yeah, it is slightly sick.

I've posted before about having seen pre-Revolutionary Russian banknotes, in pristine condition, which were brought out of Russia by wealthy refugees fleeing the Revolution. And nuatha had known someone whose family still has a suitcase of them. They were rendered worthless by the new regime's decision. nuatha's contact had a relative who was able to establish themselves afresh in the UK by using their jewellery. Other Russian refugees had some of their wealth in 5 rouble gold coins, which couldn't be devalued as gold is sold by weight.

I've also known very large and rare diamonds to be used as a way of getting wealth out of communist countries. We're talking where one gem would buy a good house, not those near-worthless things in most people's jewellery, btw.

The trouble with grubbyments is they regard us as their property, to tax and control at will. Tax Donkeys, a term I copied from ZH, seems to be an appropriate name. As a tax donkey, your duty is to toil to enrich your masters, and such 'wealth' as you fondly imagine you 'own' is only 'yours' until they decide they want it, and the laws are re-written to make that possible and to make it an offense to try to withold it.

Because our money is fiat, and only exists as a promise backed by government, they can decide the colour, shape and pretty pictures on it, and declare some older notes unredeemable, or redeemable below face value, or that they have to be exchanged for new fiats at a disadvantageous rates, or within a very narrow time window only, to flush the cash out of the mattresses.

It would cause an uproar in certain circles, but could win favour from the majority not holding cash, who would be unaffected and thus indifferent. It could be pitched and marketed that those who do hold cash outside the system, even legitimately-earned and already-taxed cash, are criminals, tax-dodgers, unpatriotic (this latter seems to be more an Americanism, but if you ever hear patriotism being trumpeted, get very very very wary, as it's the last refuge of the scoundrel).

To me, any reasonably intelligent person (which is all of us on MSE by definition, IMO) should think about that and feel slightly panicky. Not to say that it will ever happen, because I don't have a hotline into the future and I sure as hell don't know. It's a potential risk, but if it did happen, it wouldn't be pre-announced with ample warning for the populace to take evasive action, although I am sure the elites would be tipped off. :mad:

Through my network of spies and informants, I can tell you that some mature professional men in my city are stepping up purchases of gold krugerrands and sovreigns. And that the gypsies, as always, are shuffling cash into gold jewellery and collectible ceramics and other off-the-book portables. The gypsies are largely an economy unto themselves, although overlapping the mainstream, and the high-net-worth males are just as capable as making the wrong calls as the rest of us, but still, it's interesting, no? And south-east asian origined individuals living in the UK are consistantly turning cash into gold coins or the purest plainest gold jewellery, but that goes on year-in-year-out and reflects cultural traditions and lack of trust in governments in general.

So, what would be appropriate for ordinary people to do, and what is affordable to do? Perhaps nothing, as it is a risk which will never come to pass. Owning portable valuables may be an option for some. Tying up money at today's prices in consumables like shelf-stable foodstuffs, t.p. , clothing or household goods not prone to rot easily might be another valid response.

We're all of us going to have different circumstances, different levels of anxiety, differing amounts of wealth and attitudes to spending it. If you're bouncing along from paycheque to paycheque, you may only be able to sock a few extra cans in the cupboard each month and that's it. Nobody can call the future exactly, which is both a blessing and a curse.

happydays89

Just a reminder in the sun newspaper today there is £5 off voucher,when you spend £10 on meat.

2tonsils

Well the storms finally hit us at 4.30 this morning. I was actually sleeping through it peacefully when I woke up suddenly to see my naked husband returning from unplugging everything in the house LOL.....quite a shock, and I don't mean the lightning. Torrential rain, continuous thunder and non stop lightning and I had missed most of it.....

It has taken down our fire risk, which was very high, so we came out of it the winners. It is now hot and sunny again so we are going to the pool while the going is good.

I will post some updates on the UK weather forecasts later today when they send them to me. Have a lovely day folks!

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I wonder what value the gold would actually have in a post SHTF society??? I don't know that I value it now but what use would it actually have in a no electricity world???

JKO you could think of combining two functions with your grocery cash, I save £2 coins, I'm shifting all my £1 coins as there is a new design of coin with 12 sides being minted in the very near future, this is because if the tills don't work and the cash machines don't dispense cash in power outs I'll still have viable coinage to use for buying in essentials if they're available. I know that coins take up more space than notes but they have the advantage of not being likely to be made obselete and kept in jars they are quite easy to keep safe amongst your store cupboard.

ROSIEPUP 2000 the hand washing reccommendation is actually information from the WHO. The ebola virus is apparently quite fragile because of its structural shape and can be 'broken' and therefore rendered uncommunicable by the simple act of washing hands. I think the push to get folks to do this is more in third world situations where clean water and soap are not the norm that is available. Of course hand washing alone will not stop this vicious and terrible disease from spreading in the way you envisage but better to try and do all we can to avoid catching it and take whatever precautions are reccommended seriously. I think it's the 'action' of washing hands that does the virus damage so I suspect that using the antibacterial hand gels to 'wash' vigorously with would have the same effect and break the virus.

The only information given that I can find about the length of time the virus can survive outside the body is 'several days' but nothing about a specific period of time. It's just not been studied from what I've read online. I guess that will now be done pretty quickly in light of the current situation.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

flip just wrote a long post with links and lost it !


it was saying I have hibiscrub in my animal first aid box.. which might be worth people considering putting in their first aid box


http://www.medisave.co.uk/hibiscrub-500ml-bottle-p-296.html


please not I am not recommending this site, you can buy it at most chemists, its just to show you what it is, but I am going back to the site to see what they got lol

daz378

like the concept of tax donkeys......no doubt after working all our lives.....if we could quietly shuffle off this mortal coil....so as not to be a burden... that would be splendid.....dam that nhs for keeping us all alive.....cant we do something about it....oh yes we are dismantling it.... carry on then ( or is that a tad too cynical)

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CTC we too have HIBISCRUB in Docky dogs medical asenal and I've been known to use it on us too!!! jolly useful stuff to have in a small bottle in the car first aid kit for 'first action' if we get cut or punctured by anything when we're out and about. We first started carrying it many years ago when we had Border Terriers and used to go Terrier Racing with them, that's the best way I know of to get yourself bitten - He Who Knows always said I didn't love him best as I always treated the dogs before I got to sort him out, well, it's a question of priorities isn't it?

I know you can get Hibiscrub at most chemists, much cheaper than you can get it from the vet usually!!!