Preparedness for when

grandma247

I know there are families in need of breakfast clubs etc and It breaks my heart to hear of kids being so hungry they faint.

One of my Gs lied a few years ago and told a teacher he hadn't had breakfast so he was given toast at the breakfast club. DD had to go into school and when they told her what he said she asked for his older brother to be brought down. He confirm that his brother had indeed had breakfast at home and the teachers knew by the look on the younger ones face that he had lied. They asked him why and he said it was because he liked being with his mates and having some breakfast with them. Mum ended up paying for him to attend and he got a telling off for lying and nearly getting his mum into trouble.

ginnyknit

Well put Mrs LW thats what I was getting at in the first place. Glad things havent got too heated as its an emotive subject and I would be deeply upset if people fell out Everyones opinions are allowed of course and thank you all for them.

Basically its another pointer that the S is hitting the fan for so many people, we are on the way up the creek but luckily us here have a paddle even if its made of an old fence post out of our shed with a tatty old breadboard tied to the end.

A lot of us have had our personal crisis and have got through it with our prepping and support and advice from our friends on the thread. Long may we continue to paddle :rotfl:

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BOB I just never have believed that the sins of the father should be visited upon the children. Yes, there are families where the children are free range and not cared for or about by their parents that has always been the case but it's not the fault of those children and I don't think their suffering is less valid by the fact that the parents won't feed them. The end result whether from poverty or neglect is that CHILDREN are suffering and no child should be going that hungry for any reason in the UK in 2014! Social services are I feel so understaffed and so beurocratic these days that they are unable to do their job effectively and a lot of vulnerable people are suffering as a result of this. I think TPTB have a responsibility to the populace BECAUSE they are TPTB and how do you break the vicious circle of neglected kids raising more neglected kids of their own in the next generation if you just say it's nothing to do with us and blame the parents? Every child deserves to eat and not be hungry, every adult too!!!

dandy-candy

fuddle wrote: »

BB those comments are wholly offensive and I suspect you will have upset many a person by them. I worked with children with needs in schools for a good 10 years and not once could I attribute your view to the scenario you describe.

We are all entitled to our opinion but please think carefully about how you express it sometimes.

I think BB is talking about children who have never been shown how to use a knife and fork, or made the move to potty training; rather than special needs children.

dandy-candy

The lack of care for children by their own parents is an emotive subject and I personally think more should be done in schools to teach good parenting to kids, and if the parents need hauling in for a cookery lesson as well then so much the better. I hear of wonderful teacher paying for kids meals from their own pocket, but its like those ads where they say "give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him to fish and he will feed himself for a lifetime" free meals are great, but people should be shown how to cook and budget - kids too, so they are confident when they grow up.
A few years back my SIL was working at a school in Croydon where she was a child counsellor, and she had kids coming to her in winter with no shoes on, but their parents were still smoking fags outside the gate. It beggars belief.

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fuddle wrote: »

I worked with children with needs in schools for a good 10 years and not once could I attribute your view to the scenario you describe.

I'm not referring to children with needs.

I'm referring to children generally.

Perhaps you haven't seen these articles?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23931080

The think tank says there are four-year-olds so far behind that they do not know their own names and have the social skills of a two-year-old.

A head teacher told researchers of parents who "just can't be bothered".

A head teacher told the researchers: "In the last three years we have had to toilet-train children who came to school in nappies at age five. Parents ask me how we managed to do it. Many of them just can't be bothered, they think it's our responsibility to do it for them."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321422/Children-starting-school-nappies-Youngsters-old-toilet-trained.html

School nurse Chris Beer said: ‘Last year we had lots of contact from schools saying they were seeing a rising number of children starting school who were still wearing nappies and children who were not staying clean and dry during the day.

Teachers have complained of having to instruct children how to use knives and forks or sit at a table. Many report pupils finding it difficult to wait their turn or say please and thank you.

Education experts have accused parents of relying on schools to instil basic skills and manners in their children, either because they cannot be bothered to do so themselves or because they are too busy.

fuddle

I think BB was generalising and quite harshly. There are many children in the school system with needs, not just special needs. Many are identified and many go unnoticed.

I find we're quick to judge. Followers of the tough thread may remember my own DD fainting at school. Ultimately (although we found a heart murmur) it was down to her being under nourished. Now I suspect many of you know how hard I have tried over the years and maybe ordinarily wouldn't judge me but I bet others did just like we're doing now. My child was under nourished because she's a picky eater and it's been an effort to get her weight up to an acceptable and her eating habits to a healthy level i.e. eat! The parental effort the last 6 months has been substantial.

Lyn I really do agree. If we haven't the resources to man a system that protects our vulnerable in society then TPTB need to recognise that, invest in a solution so we can grow as a society and the very least, help people in need at the very most.

How can we sit and judge a parent by whether a child is out of a nappy or can use a knife and fork? We can't and we shouldn't.

BB we can all do a google search to back up our arguments. Personally I like to post about my experiences and my views. You're not right and never will be, just like I'm not right and never will be. Just think about not being so harsh maybe?

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MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Yes, there are families where the children are free range and not cared for or about by their parents that has always been the case but it's not the fault of those children and I don't think their suffering is less valid by the fact that the parents won't feed them.

It's all well and good saying it shouldn't be happening (and I agree it shouldn't), but how do you ensure a parent gives their child(ren) breakfast?

Do you send a "breakfast observer" round to every home with children, to record whether a breakfast has been eaten?

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dandy-candy wrote: »

I think BB is talking about children who have never been shown how to use a knife and fork, or made the move to potty training; rather than special needs children.

That's exactly what I was talking about DC.

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dandy-candy wrote: »

and she had kids coming to her in winter with no shoes on, but their parents were still smoking fags outside the gate. It beggars belief.

I agree, and it makes me so :mad:

I even commented on that kind of behaviour in post number 18391, when I referred to my friend who worked at a grocers/tobacconist.

Surely any parent, worthy of the title, would put their children's welfare ahead of smoking, drinking etc.?