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Lennox has been destroyed. Thank you to all who tried to help

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  • Fire_Fox
    Fire_Fox Posts: 26,026 Forumite
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    This thread contains more conspiracy theories and Chinese Whispers than verifiable facts! :undecided

    "Once seized, your dog will be kept by police until a decision is reached on whether it needs to be destroyed or released. This could take several weeks or months. You won’t be allowed to visit your dog."
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/homeandcommunity/inyourhome/animalsandpets/dogs/dg_180098

    The family may think of Lennox as their property, but legally he was not once he had been declared to be a dangerous breed. A banned dog is not like a deceased child, the owners are considered to have committed a criminal offence.
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  • cavework
    cavework Posts: 1,992 Forumite
    So have they been prosecuted?
    This was not weeks or months .. this was as I understand it 2 years.
    Again , what harm would there have been to return the body of the dog?
    No sugestion of a conspiracy , just an honest and open question that I am sure a lot more people are asking.
  • Person_one
    Person_one Posts: 28,884 Forumite
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    Fire_Fox wrote: »

    The family may think of Lennox as their property, but legally he was not once he had been declared to be a [STRIKE]dangerous[/STRIKE] banned [STRIKE]breed[/STRIKE]type.

    Fixed a couple of things.
  • Fire_Fox wrote: »
    This thread contains more conspiracy theories and Chinese Whispers than verifiable facts! :undecided

    "Once seized, your dog will be kept by police until a decision is reached on whether it needs to be destroyed or released. This could take several weeks or months. You won’t be allowed to visit your dog."
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/homeandcommunity/inyourhome/animalsandpets/dogs/dg_180098

    The family may think of Lennox as their property, but legally he was not once he had been declared to be a dangerous breed. A banned dog is not like a deceased child, the owners are considered to have committed a criminal offence.

    They had no evidence he was a 'banned breed'.
  • Fire_Fox
    Fire_Fox Posts: 26,026 Forumite
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    They had no evidence he was a 'banned breed'.

    Try reading the entire sentence: I deliberately used the word declared. The law said he a dangerous/ banned breed/ type, hence there is no requirement to allow visits or return the body.
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  • cavework
    cavework Posts: 1,992 Forumite
    Fire_Fox wrote: »
    Try reading the entire sentence: I deliberately used the word declared. The law said he a dangerous/ banned breed/ type, hence there is no requirement to allow visits or return the body.
    Why?
    Is there a problem in returning the body of a family pet that has been 'declared' dangerous while living?
    This makes absolutely no sense.
  • Fire_Fox
    Fire_Fox Posts: 26,026 Forumite
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    cavework wrote: »
    Why?
    Is there a problem in returning the body of a family pet that has been 'declared' dangerous while living?
    This makes absolutely no sense.

    I've already explained why
    "The family may think of Lennox as their property, but legally he was not once he had been declared to be a dangerous breed. A banned dog is not like a deceased child, the owners are considered to have committed a criminal offence."
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  • candygirl
    candygirl Posts: 29,455 Forumite
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    Mrs Alexandra Lightfoot, has vacated her bcc post as a dog warden, and taken a new job with ballymoney borough council as an AWO (ANIMAL WELFARE OFFICER-INSPECTOR) march 2012.......bcc will remain accountable for Lennox and lightfoot will remain accused of perjury....:mad::mad::mad:
    "You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf"

    (Kabat-Zinn 2004):D:D:D
  • DitaVonTee
    DitaVonTee Posts: 404 Forumite
    edited 14 July 2012 at 9:31PM
    Why has no one mentioned, the first assessor then went in to assess Lennox ? Her name being Madeleine Forsyth.
    Who went in to assess Lennox on behalf of his own family!! Whose evidence was so damning they didn't put it forward to the courts!
    Whose area's of expertise are
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]veterinary practice,
    veterinary medicine and surgery
    Domestic/companion animals (pets)
    Animal behaviour
    Dogs and canine behaviour
    Farm animals and livestock
    Horses and equestrian matters
    Horse riding accidents
    Horse racing and training
    Equine health and safety (in particular,
    relating to performance horses,
    racehorses, eventers and show jumpers)
    Animal health and welfare
    Animal protection and rights
    Veterinary and wildlife pathology
    Animal transport
    Veterinary negligence[/FONT]
    Her words of advice being to the family that in her opinion, he needed to be put to sleep straight away.

    Why has this never been looked at in more detail?

    Her details are very easy to find on the internet should you wish to contact her for clarification! I'm sure she would be more than happy to forward her points!

    She's also mentioned very briefly during this interview, that took place this morning.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCrHbQMhj4
  • Oliver14
    Oliver14 Posts: 5,878 Forumite
    Interesting Comments from Victoria Stilwell on FB
    When I was brought onto the case a year ago I received a copy of the BCC's 'e...xpert's' report. This report was only supposed to be an evaluation of Lennox's measurements to determine whether Lennox was of pitbull type (which is laughable in itself.) The last paragraph of the report states that even though this expert knows that he has only been brought in to measure Lennox he still offers his opinion of Lennox's behavior, which he questions. That's it - one paragraph. I also have the behavioral evaluation reports from both David Ryan and Sarah Fisher - pages and pages of detailed, intelligent, unbiased and thorough investigations of Lennox's behavior. Yet the BCC stand by their 'expert' and so did the courts, discrediting the evidence of two qualified behavioral experts. Is that justice? Is that fair?

    It is also public knowledge now, even though I have said nothing on this matter, but because it is already out there I will have to answer your questions truthfully, yes, the BCC's 'expert' did try to sue me for speaking out against him and questioning his credentials, and yes he did expect money from me to settle the dispute. He was not successful because all I did was speak the truth. But these are the kind of people that the family,myself and all those who have supported Lennox, have been up against. I will finish by saying that I do not approve of threats and intimidation being done to anyone on either side and would appeal to those who conduct themselves in such a way to stop - you are not helping matters. But also be aware that those of us who have supported Lennox and the family themselves have also received threats, some from the very people that BCC employ.
    http://www.facebook.com/VictoriaStilwell?v=feed&story_fbid=181064303824&ref=mf
    'The More I know about people the Better I like my Dog'
    Samuel Clemens
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