cyclist deaths & the law

Idiophreak

Dave_C wrote: »

The price of a cyclists life is apparently £2,700 and in 8 months time he can do it again!

She didn't die...admittedly, that was probably by good luck more than judgement, but you can still hardly roll out the "cost of a life" line...

custardy

Idiophreak wrote: »

She didn't die...admittedly, that was probably by good luck more than judgement, but you can still hardly roll out the "cost of a life" line...

theres plenty of acquittals in the thread to choose at £0 cost, if you prefer

Sgt_Pepper_2

custardy wrote: »

theres plenty of acquittals in the thread to choose at £0 cost, if you prefer

So what do you suggest?

Guilty verdict because a cyclist dies regardless of the evidence.

Cornucopia

What I'd like to see for these cases, and more generally on the road is a proper investigation for every KSI incident.

When someone is killed or seriously injured on the roads, that is a failure of the safety "system". We need to know what those failures are in sufficient detail to consider what changes need to be made.

I'm tired of hearing that it is drivers' or cyclists' faults - when those positions will not improve things.

custardy

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

So what do you suggest?

Guilty verdict because a cyclist dies regardless of the evidence.

have you read some of them?

Shimrod

custardy wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20725496

another free pass

Why no charges for the bus driver?
"Mr Harding was riding in a bus lane with a bus travelling behind him and was crushed after coming off his bicycle."

While the motorist instigated the incident, surely the bus driver is culpable for not leaving a safe stopping distance from the vehicle in front?

brat

Cornucopia wrote: »

What I'd like to see for these cases, and more generally on the road is a proper investigation for every KSI incident.

When someone is killed or seriously injured on the roads, that is a failure of the safety "system". We need to know what those failures are in sufficient detail to consider what changes need to be made.

The police do this in a lot of detail, especially for fatal and life altering serious injury collisions.

I'm tired of hearing that it is drivers' or cyclists' faults - when those positions will not improve things.

Perhaps you shouldn't ask for more investigation, because that is what these investigations discover. The police will generally discover who was to blame and why. Highways can and do have access to that detailed analysis. What they then do with it is down to them, but in my experience they pay quite a lot of attention to these reports to assess what improvement options are available.

Cornucopia

Shimrod wrote: »

Why no charges for the bus driver?
"Mr Harding was riding in a bus lane with a bus travelling behind him and was crushed after coming off his bicycle."

While the motorist instigated the incident, surely the bus driver is culpable for not leaving a safe stopping distance from the vehicle in front?

It sounds like the cyclist swerved or was forced sideways into the path of the bus by the actions of the motorist. In that case, there was potentially nothing that the bus driver could do.

That is the fundamental problem in this argument - it's all very well for a cyclist to be technically "in the right", but little consolation if they are seriously injured.

The best drivers expect there to be idiots on the roads, and do their best to mitigate the consequences. Same for cyclists, where the stakes are much, much higher.

Tilt

Most buses have external CCTV fitted. I'm sure this would of been examined and exonerated the bus driver. In any event, the bus may of been just about to overtake the cyclist or it was a scenario like Cornucopia describes.

Dave_C_2

Idiophreak wrote: »

She didn't die...admittedly, that was probably by good luck more than judgement, but you can still hardly roll out the "cost of a life" line...

My apologies, I honestly believed that she was killed

Sorry about that

Dave