cyclist deaths & the law

mrs_sparrow

custardy wrote: »

So the cyclist doesnt have insurance?
interesting that you know this
legal requirement doesnt mean folks have insurance,neither does no legal requirement mean they don't

Was there no surgery? I suffered a (minor in your world) dislocation
that required surgery and 8 months on is going to possibly need another op

Did I say surgery was minor? I clearly stated that an operation was not minor.

A dislocation is minor. If 8 months on you need an op, it is no longer minor.

A broken wrist is minor. If in 6 months it has not healed and need an op, it is no longer minor.

If you cut yourself and need stitches, it is minor. If you then get gangerine and your leg needs cutting off, it's no longer minor. See......

You are making yourself look a bit silly over this now tbh.

mrs_sparrow

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

Remind me again are you the non driver who posts on here?

Non-driver? No, I can't actually ride a bike rather ironically.

We have nearly knocked a cyclist off last week though, and one nearly run us over at the traffic lights (see my first post).

Why plead guilty? Because whether or not the cyclist rode out, she still knocked the cyclist off her bike and then she got done for 'driving without due care and attention'. She did not get done for dangerous driving - there is a difference. Hence the fine being as small as it was.

Can you get done for not riding with due care and attention? Unlikely. And I think listening to ipods/phones while riding should be banned while riding too.

Just like those people who get done for eating a kit kat at the wheel, they get done for driving without due care and attention and they have not even knocked anyone off. Number 9 on this list http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/crazy-driving-fines--mirrorcouk-380768 because the first person to ever get points while at the wheel for eating a sandwich.

Sgt_Pepper_2

mrs_sparrow wrote: »

Non-driver? No, I can't even ride a bike rather ironically.

We have nearly knocked one off last week though, and one bearly run us over at the traffic lights.

Why plead guilty? Because whether or not the cyclist rode out, she still knocked the cyclist off her bike and then she got done for 'not driving without due care and attention'. She did not get done for dangerous driving.

Can you get done for not riding with due care and attention? I think listening to ipods/phones while riding should be banned while riding too.

Your are really showing your ignorance of the road traffic act.

It is possible to knock off a cycling or run over a pedestrian and not be guilty of careless.

Why don't you post on a thread you actually know something about?

Sgt_Pepper_2

mrs_sparrow wrote: »

Did I say surgery was minor? I clearly stated that an operation was not minor.

A dislocation is minor. If 8 months on you need an op, it is no longer minor.

A broken wrist is minor. If in 6 months it has not healed and need an op, it is no longer minor.

If you cut yourself and need stitches, it is minor. If you then get gangerine and your leg needs cutting off, it's no longer minor. See......

You are making yourself look a bit silly over this now tbh.

No, you're making yourself look silly.

For your information fractures and severe cuts are classed as serious injury.

Care to post what qualifications you have to make these assumptions?

custardy

mrs_sparrow wrote: »

You asked 'would insurance have helped the cyclist I linked to?'

And I am saying yes, it would have. I have no idea whether she has or not but millions do not have, and in the case you mentioned - yes, insurance would have been useful to sue the driver for damages.

useful but makes little difference to the injured party in this case.
IME the insurer simply assigns you legal representation and thats the last you hear from the insurer
plenty of lawyers out there would take that case in a heartbeat

Sgt_Pepper_2

custardy wrote: »

useful but makes little difference to the injured party in this case.
IME the insurer simply assigns you legal representation and thats the last you hear from the insurer
plenty of lawyers out there would take that case in a heartbeat

Nor adds anything to the blame or cause.

custardy

mrs_sparrow wrote: »

Did I say surgery was minor? I clearly stated that an operation was not minor.

A dislocation is minor. If 8 months on you need an op, it is no longer minor.

A broken wrist is minor. If in 6 months it has not healed and need an op, it is no longer minor.

If you cut yourself and need stitches, it is minor. If you then get gangerine and your leg needs cutting off, it's no longer minor. See......

You are making yourself look a bit silly over this now tbh.

you stated a broken wrist was minor
yet you don't know the case
My OH suffered a broken wrist and had to get a metal cage fitted.
still minor?

Sgt_Pepper_2

custardy wrote: »

you stated a broken wrist was minor
yet you don't know the case
My OH suffered a broken wrist and had to get a metal cage fitted.
still minor?

Any break is serious.

Aretnap

mrs_sparrow wrote: »

Can you get done for not riding with due care and attention? Unlikely.

Yes you can.

JCP

Plenty of cyclists have insurance just as plenty of motorists don't.

I have both cycling and motoring insurance, though the former didn't stop some idiot running into me last year in broad daylight. Apparently I got off relatively lightly with a broken coccyx, whiplash and torn cartilege in my hip which required an operation - certainly doesn't feel like it though.

If a cyclist is responsible for an accident or causes damage, then yes, they should be responsible for paying up, but do not confuse making insurance mandatory with ensuring that everyone using a bicycle has it - hasn't worked for cars, so there is no reason to expect that it should work for (less traceable) bicycles.