cyclist deaths & the law

Sgt_Pepper_2

Idiophreak wrote: »

There's no requirement to carry this documentation, so I keep it in the filing cabinet. This really amazes you? Blimey.

Although it is an offence to fail to produce it on demand.

System

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

Although it is an offence to fail to produce it on demand.

Only if he/she can not produce it within 7 days
Road Traffic Act 1988 Sect 164

(6)If a person required under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence and its counterpart or state his date of birth or to produce his certificate of completion of a training course for motor cyclists fails to do so he is, subject to subsections (7) below, guilty of an offence.
(7)Subsection (6) above does not apply where a person required on any occasion under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence and its counterpart—
(a)produces on that occasion a current receipt for the licence and its counterpart issued under section 56 of the M1Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 and, if required to do so, produces the licence and its counterpart in person immediately on their return at a police station that was specified on that occasion, or
(b)within seven days after that occasion produces such a receipt in person at a police station that was specified by him on that occasion and, if required to do so, produces the licence and its counterpart in person immediately on their return at that police station.

art_for_arts_sake

Dave_C wrote: »

As is usual on internet forums discussing cyclist and motorists, this has quickly devolved into an "us and them" situation and it's rather sickening. As a driver and a cyclist I can see both sides. I have been there on the "all cyclists are scum" side until a year or so ago when I took up cycling again after a few decades break.

To all non-cycling motorists who have a downer on cycling I can honestly say that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about - until you have actually been riding a bike in traffic.

To the militant cyclists, the reverse is also true. !!!!!! it's the law of the land! Red light jumping and pavement cycling does our image no good at all.

We are talking road safety here, lives depend on us all making the right choices.

Dave

My pet peeve is pavement parking, both by motorists and cyclists. It's illegal to drive on the pavement, yet strangely unless you live in London it's not illegal to park there. How on earth do the cars get there? Do they levitate, Dalek-style (though I can remember when Daleks couldn't get up steps:)) or are they transported, Star Trek style? Clearly not. But they are clearly both an inconvenience and a threat to other road users' safety. And don't get me started on the "pavement parking" by children who seem to abandon their bikes on the pavements without a thought for the disabled and older pedestrians. It's been an absolute nightmare round my way during the school holidays from the latter. What's wrong with leaning them against a wall or fitting a stand as used to be the case?

Sgt_Pepper_2

art_for_arts_sake wrote: »

My pet peeve is pavement parking, both by motorists and cyclists. It's illegal to drive on the pavement, yet strangely unless you live in London it's not illegal to park there. How on earth do the cars get there? Do they levitate, Dalek-style (though I can remember when Daleks couldn't get up steps:)) or are they transported, Star Trek style? Clearly not. But they are clearly both an inconvenience and a threat to other road users' safety. And don't get me started on the "pavement parking" by children who seem to abandon their bikes on the pavements without a thought for the disabled and older pedestrians. It's been an absolute nightmare round my way during the school holidays from the latter. What's wrong with leaning them against a wall or fitting a stand as used to be the case?

Why is it illegal to drive on the pavement?

The road traffic act states its a road.

Dave_C_2

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

Why is it illegal to drive on the pavement?

How about the highway code?

145

You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency.

[Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & RTA 1988 sect 34]

The MUST NOT means that it's illegal!


Dave

Paradigm

Oldfatgrumpy wrote: »

If you carried that through to motorists, police could avoid wasting time issuing "producers" and just call for the recovery vehicle to take the car to the crusher. It's always amazed me that drivers don't always carry the relevant documentation for themselves and the car they're driving. Maybe the available storage space in a car is insufficient?

You really should read the thread from the start & then you might realise that my post was "tongue in cheek" & aimed only at custardy, not cyclists in general

thelawnet

And here we have the new Minister of State for Transport.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135172/Tory-MP-escapes-400-fine-crash-left-cyclist-broken-neck.html

who is clearly a moron, since he drives a Range Rover to Parliament - rather akin to driving a Challenger Tank to Sainsburys, and which should disqualify him from any kind of Transport role, since he is incapable of making appropriate PERSONAL choices about transport, so how can he possibly make appropriate choices for the country?

joolsybools

thelawnet wrote: »

And here we have the new Minister of State for Transport.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135172/Tory-MP-escapes-400-fine-crash-left-cyclist-broken-neck.html

who is clearly a moron, since he drives a Range Rover to Parliament - rather akin to driving a Challenger Tank to Sainsburys, and which should disqualify him from any kind of Transport role, since he is incapable of making appropriate PERSONAL choices about transport, so how can he possibly make appropriate choices for the country?

Erm, I thought Patrick McLoughlin was the new Transport Minister? But I do agree with the points you make above

custardy

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/cycle-incident-driver-fined-1-2529101

Sgt_Pepper_2

custardy wrote: »

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/cycle-incident-driver-fined-1-2529101

Sentence reflects the injuries.