cyclist deaths & the law

custardy

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

Maybe they couldn't prove she didn't swerve out in front of him.

Factors such as her clothing and back ground come into play. Can they prove she was there to be seen?

Ah,so its the cyclists fault
IMO the factors I listed would put the onus on the driver(and their defence) to prove otherwise.
interesting they state the tyres were not an issue.
does that mean no braking/swerving was involved?

Sgt_Pepper_2

custardy wrote: »

Ah,so its the cyclists fault
IMO the factors I listed would put the onus on the driver(and their defence) to prove otherwise.
interesting they state the tyres were not an issue.
does that mean no braking/swerving was involved?

Stop being so defensive, I didn't say it was the cyclists fault. The prosecution have to prove his driving was dangerous and it sounds like they were lacking evidence of that.

So what if he failed to disclose his ban, he had no insurance any way.

Tyres without tread on a dry road, why would that contribute to the cause of the collision?

custardy

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

Stop being so defensive, I didn't say it was the cyclists fault. The prosecution have to prove his driving was dangerous and it sounds like they were lacking evidence of that.

So what if he failed to disclose his ban, he had no insurance any way.

Tyres without tread on a dry road, why would that contribute to the cause of the collision?

dry road on December 9th at 5.30am?
As for not disclosing his ban.
Its just goes towards the type of character it appears he was

some quotes

Ian Evans, prosecuting, said Lundstram had been playing snooker and poker all through the night before and into the early hours of the morning of the crash.

Judge Parry said Lundstram had taken a “cavalier” attitude to his insurance status but that “paled into insignificance” compared to his subsequent actions.

“At 5.30am on December 9 he collided with a pedal cycle. Susan Griffiths was thrown from the bike and landed in the carriageway.

“The defendant didn’t stop to see if she was OK, or call the emergency services. Instead he fled the scene and went up to the mountain where he hid in some bushes.”

Mrs Griffiths lay on the road with serious head and facial injuries for 15 minutes until she was spotted by a passing motorist.

seems pretty much the type of person who should be feeling the full force of the law.
8 months for killing someone is cheap.

Sgt_Pepper_2

custardy wrote: »

dry road on December 9th at 5.30am?
As for not disclosing his ban.
Its just goes towards the type of character it appears he was

some quotes







seems pretty much the type of person who should be feeling the full force of the law.
8 months for killing someone is cheap.

I missed it was December and don't know what the weather was like.

Further questions would therefore be were there lights on the bike, what was the rider wearing.

Yes 8 months is cheap but a few years ago the only charges would have been fail to stop and no insurance. The death wouldn't even have been a factor.

Paradigm

custardy wrote: »

Ah,so its the cyclists fault
IMO the factors I listed would put the onus on the driver(and their defence) to prove otherwise.
interesting they state the tyres were not an issue.
does that mean no braking/swerving was involved?

There should be Compulsory 12 weeks safety training @ the cyclists expense before they're allowed on the road. The pass certificate is to be carried at all times whilst using a cycle on a public road.

Failure to carry/produce said certificate results in immediate seizure of the cycle & the cyclist has to watch as it's squashed under the wheels of a very big truck

Clown!

Oldfatgrumpy

Paradigm wrote: »

There should be Compulsory 12 weeks safety training @ the cyclists expense before they're allowed on the road. The pass certificate is to be carried at all times whilst using a cycle on a public road.

Failure to carry/produce said certificate results in immediate seizure of the cycle & the cyclist has to watch as it's squashed under the wheels of a very big truck

Clown!

If you carried that through to motorists, police could avoid wasting time issuing "producers" and just call for the recovery vehicle to take the car to the crusher. It's always amazed me that drivers don't always carry the relevant documentation for themselves and the car they're driving. Maybe the available storage space in a car is insufficient?

custardy

Paradigm wrote: »

There should be Compulsory 12 weeks safety training @ the cyclists expense before they're allowed on the road. The pass certificate is to be carried at all times whilst using a cycle on a public road.

Failure to carry/produce said certificate results in immediate seizure of the cycle & the cyclist has to watch as it's squashed under the wheels of a very big truck

Clown!

you mean like the licence the driver had,the legal requirement to have to have a roadworthy vehicle,insurance etc?

Idiophreak

Oldfatgrumpy wrote: »

If you carried that through to motorists, police could avoid wasting time issuing "producers" and just call for the recovery vehicle to take the car to the crusher. It's always amazed me that drivers don't always carry the relevant documentation for themselves and the car they're driving. Maybe the available storage space in a car is insufficient?

There's no requirement to carry this documentation, so I keep it in the filing cabinet. This really amazes you? Blimey.

Rolandtheroadie

I dont have documentation in my car incase it gets broken into or stolen.

Idiophreak

Idiophreak wrote: »

I kind of have. I've asked them to turn the filter on to green for cars when there's no traffic coming, as it will greatly improve traffic flow through the junction. Strangely, though, this wouldn't particularly help me as a cyclist - because I'd still be setting off with a bunch of cars trying to squeeze past me as quickly as possible.

Just an update on this - this morning a little man was up a ladder changing the filter lights so the sequence can be improved.

I guess it's a double edged sword - it's nice that the council responded to my suggestion and will improve my commute a bit - but it will make the junction less safe for me as a cyclist. Hohum.