motobility scheme

grummps

Anubis wrote: »

You are only counting one part of the mobility award - there is another category for this and points can be added together, it isn't all about a wheelchair like people keep thinking. You don't even need to be using a wheelchair to be entitled! I have posted this before. The mobility component will consist of part 10 AND part 11.

You can add points from part 10 to points from part 11 but you cannot add points together from each descriptor in 10 or 11. For example you cannot add 10 c and 10 b together, but you can add, 10 a and 11 b together.

So someone who gets 10 points on section 11, will get full mobility if they also get 4 points on section 10. The highest points will be awarded in each category, for example, if you get points on 10 b and also 10 d then only points from 10 d will be counted as they are higher than points for 10 b.

10. Planning and following a journey.
a. Can plan and follow a journey unaided. 0 points
b. Needs prompting for all journeys to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 4 points
c. Needs either –
(i) supervision, prompting or a support dog to follow a journey to an unfamiliar destination; or
(ii) a journey to an unfamiliar destination to have been entirely planned by another person. 8 points
d. Cannot follow any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 10 points
e. Needs either –
(i) supervision, prompting or a support dog to follow a journey to a familiar destination; or
(ii) a journey to a familiar destination to have been planned entirely by another person. 15 points

11. Moving around.
a. Can move at least 200 metres either –
(i) unaided; or
(ii) using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device.! 0 points
b. Can move at least 50 metres but not more than 200 metres either –
(i) unaided; or
(ii) using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device.! 4 points
c. Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. 8 points
d. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. 10 points
e. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the claimant. 12 points
f. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device. 15 points
g. Cannot either –
(i) move around at all; or
(ii) transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.! 15 points

@ Muppette, fluctuating conditions will be given more consideration than currently.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Variable and fluctuating conditions
Taking a view of ability over a longer period of time helps to iron out fluctuations and presents a more coherent picture of disabling effects. Therefore the descriptor choice should be based on consideration of a 12 month period.

Scoring descriptors will apply to individuals where their impairment(s) affects their ability to complete an activity on more than 50 per cent of days in the 12 month period. The following rules apply:

If one descriptor in an activity applies on more than 50 per cent of the days in the period – i.e. the activity cannot be completed in the way described on more than 50 per cent of days – then that descriptor should be chosen.

If more than one descriptor in an activity applies on more than 50 per cent of the days in the period, then the descriptor chosen should be the one which applies for the greatest proportion of the time.

Where one single descriptor in an activity is not satisfied on more than 50 per cent of days, but a number of different descriptors in that activity together are satisfied on more than 50 per cent of days – for example, descriptor ‘B’ is satisfied on 40 per cent of days and descriptor ‘C’ on 30 per cent of days – the descriptor satisfied for the highest proportion of the time should be selected.

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

Yes being unable or virtually unable to walk will not be enough under PIP to qualify for a Motability car.

For the first time they have brought mental illness into the equation.

c. Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. 8 points (which was enough in itself to qualify for a Motability car under DLA)

Now to qualify you will also have to show:

b. Needs prompting for all journeys to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 4 points.

total 12 points.

For someone in that instance as above, they wouldn't be safe on the road!!!

CTcelt1988

grummps wrote: »

Yes being unable or virtually unable to walk will not be enough under PIP to qualify for a Motability car.

For the first time they have brought mental illness into the equation.

c. Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. 8 points (which was enough in itself to qualify for a Motability car under DLA)

Now to qualify you will also have to show:

b. Needs prompting for all journeys to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 4 points.

total 12 points.

For someone in that instance as above, they wouldn't be safe on the road!!!

That person woudnt be driving though I presume, they would be getting someone to drive their Motabilty car for them.

grummps

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

That person woudnt be driving though I presume, they would be getting someone to drive their Motabilty car for them.

And if there wasn't anybody available? Besides which why should they have to depend on someone else all of the time. Where has the independence gone that a Motability car gives to a disabled person who can hardly walk?

What I am saying is that for the exact same mobility problem, under DLA you could have a Motability car, now you have to have a mental illness on top to qualify under PIP. Where is the logic in that?

If you can't walk more than 50 metres you can't walk it!

My little brain is telling me that those that can't walk that distance under PIP should try to walk, that is unless they are so severely mentally ill as well - in which case they wouldn't need a Motability car yet they would be entitled to one.

The mind boggles!

Looks like I am going to have to tell my psychiatrist that my mental state now dictates that I would have overwhelming psychological distress if I drove the car. i can then keep it and be allowed to be a danger on the road.

CTcelt1988

grummps wrote: »

And if there wasn't anybody available? Besides which why should they have to depend on someone else all of the time. Where has the independence gone that a Motability car gives to a disabled person who can hardly walk?

What I am saying is that for the exact same mobility problem, under DLA you could have a Motability car, now you have to have a mental illness on top to qualify under PIP. Where is the logic in that?

If you can't walk more than 50 metres you can't walk it!

My little brain is telling me that those that can't walk that distance under PIP should try to walk, that is unless they are so severely mentally ill as well - in which case they wouldn't need a Motability car yet they would be entitled to one.

The mind boggles!

Looks like I am going to have to tell my psychiatrist that my mental state now dictates that I would have overwhelming psychological distress if I drove the car. i can then keep it and be allowed to be a danger on the road.

I agree with you. If PIP allows people with mental health problems to get a car on Motability, even though they can walk properly,it will lead to more resentment. The descriptors for the moving around part need to be adjusted, otherwise it will end up causing more problems.

jasjadjos

Ouch !!!! :j

Dognobs

jasjadjos wrote: »

Ouch !!!! :j

CENSORED The truth hurts!!

Mupette

Dognobs wrote: »

CENSORED The truth hurts!!

I've just been told you've been up to no good and quite possibly my facebook, care to tell me what the hell do you think you are doing?
using a fb link here?

why am i being pm'd about you.

Catden_2

I have deleted my comment as I got mad with a comment from someone I know now doesn't count. Mupette was correct.

Mupette

Catden wrote: »

Deleted due to sicko's on here

You shouldn't have to justify yourself to anyone.

Catden don't be scared off from this site, this faceless individual has major mental issues that really need medical help.

PippaGirl_2

Can I ask a question re: motability following the PIP changes. Does it take into account frequency and risk of falls?

I'm thinking of someone I know who has cerebral palsy, she can walk a fair distance though is only safe to do so if she holds on to someone or something as she walks. Mostly she walks without aid though when on her own and does fall fairly frequently. Is she likely to not be awarded enough points to gain a motability car?