motobility scheme

Mupette

moon_pig wrote: »

The government have set out the criteria , i think youll find the majority (if not all) genuine claimants would agree with that statement. the problem is identifying who is genuine & who is not and the current reforms are just not doing that. the shirkers know exactly what they have to say in order to retain their benefits & will lie through their teeth ,thats why the PIP system will filter out all the shirkers ,this is what the reform will be

Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. For example: identifies individuals who can move up to 50 metres unaided but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. For example: identifies individuals who can use an aid or appliance to move up to 50 metres but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.Cannot either –i. move around at all; or ii. transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.

This reform is well overdue, if you meet the criteria you will have the high rate of pip and be entitled to the car, there will be no grounds for appeal because if you dont fall into the above catogory ,thats final, end of ,this will filter out the shirkers:T

can you link this official information?

moon_pig

Mupette wrote: »

can you link this official information?

Hi Mupette
Jane Young Disability Consultant made me aware of it from our borough of Kingston in South West London. i had a coversation with her recently and it looks like its going through as we speak.

Mupette

Thanks moonpig

Would of preferred to see an official paper on what the criteria is rather than hearsay.

moon_pig

Mupette wrote: »

Thanks moonpig

Would of preferred to see an official paper on what the criteria is rather than hearsay.

Heres the link

http://janeyoung.me.uk/2012/01/19/thousands-could-lose-motability-vehicles/

CTcelt1988

moon_pig wrote: »

The government have set out the criteria , i think youll find the majority (if not all) genuine claimants would agree with that statement. the problem is identifying who is genuine & who is not and the current reforms are just not doing that. the shirkers know exactly what they have to say in order to retain their benefits & will lie through their teeth ,thats why the PIP system will filter out all the shirkers ,this is what the reform will be

Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. For example: identifies individuals who can move up to 50 metres unaided but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. For example: identifies individuals who can use an aid or appliance to move up to 50 metres but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.Cannot either –i. move around at all; or ii. transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.

This reform is well overdue, if you meet the criteria you will have the high rate of pip and be entitled to the car, there will be no grounds for appeal because if you dont fall into the above catogory ,thats final, end of ,this will filter out the shirkers:T

Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further: This will get 8 points. You would get the standard rate Mobility component.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device: This would give you 10 points. You would get the standard rate Mobility component.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual: This would give you 12 points. You would get 12 points, meaning you quaify for Motability.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device: This would give you 15 points, meaning you qualify for motability.

To get a Motabilty car under PIP, you need to get 12 points.
Unfortuntely, disabled people who have walking problems and use walking sticks, will no longer qualify for a motability vehicle. It may get rid of the shirkers, but genuine disabled people will miss out on getting a car.

moon_pig

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further: This will get 8 points. You would get the standard rate Mobility component.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device: This would give you 10 points. You would get the standard rate Mobility component.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual: This would give you 12 points. You would get 12 points, meaning you quaify for Motability.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device: This would give you 15 points, meaning you qualify for motability.

To get a Motabilty car under PIP, you need to get 12 points.
Unfortuntely, disabled people who have walking problems and use walking sticks, will no longer qualify for a motability vehicle. It may get rid of the shirkers, but genuine disabled people will miss out on getting a car.

I fully understand where your comming from celtic but for this system to work from the start ,this is the only way to do it, so shame on all the people who have been laying it on thick you have ruined it ,this is why the PIP is being introduced the powers that be have failed miserably to weed out all the shirkers ,so for all the genuine and needy that fit the criteria all the support will be there and the rest will be adjusted accordingly. In this downturn there has to be cut backs, people have lost everything , jobs, their homes, partners... so a few thousand disability cars less on our roads is no comparison to that. PIP we be a much fairer system for everyone and save billions of pounds in the process.:T

CTcelt1988

moon_pig wrote: »

I fully understand where your comming from celtic but for this system to work from the start ,this is the only way to do it, so shame on all the people who have been laying it on thick you have ruined it ,this is why the PIP is being introduced the powers that be have failed miserably to weed out all the shirkers ,so for all the genuine and needy that fit the criteria all the support will be there and the rest will be adjusted accordingly. In this downturn there has to be cut backs, people have lost everything , jobs, their homes, partners... so a few thousand disability cars less on our roads is no comparison to that. PIP we be a much fairer system for everyone and save billions of pounds in the process.:T

PIP will be anything but fair. The assessments will be ticked boxed and won't reflect the different disabilities that many people have. I wasnt against a DLA reform, but PIP is going to go down the same road as the ESA assesments. Especially if ATOS are doing it. It is all about saving money, not helping disabled people. Genuine disabed people are already stressed out and worried about the future with these proposals. The Government could start chasing after tax avoidance schemes, this would start getting them money. You may think PIP will get rid of the shirkers, but fraud levels with DLA is about 0.05%. Compare that with other fraud levels of other benefits, then it is quite low. Yes, there are abuse regarding DLA, but it's not as high as the Government and Media make out.

Edinburghlass_2

moon_pig wrote: »

Hi Mupette
Jane Young Disability Consultant made me aware of it from our borough of Kingston in South West London. i had a coversation with her recently and it looks like its going through as we speak.

How much did she charge you?

My fees are both reasonable and negotiable, and will depend on the amount and type of help required. If you think I might be able to help you,

Mupette

I have concerns about us who have fluctuating problems.

my mobility is hit or miss, i don't know from one day to the next on how i will be, my care needs are hit and miss too, although if i have a !!!! night that's an indication of the rest of the day.

I'll be one of the 'housebound', and believe me I've been there before, and suicide would be on my mind if i am trapped home, bus stop is too far to get to, and if the car/mobility has gone there will be no such luxury of taxi's they cost a fortune.

This is why the mobility/car is an essential part of our mobility and well being

Anubis_2

moon_pig wrote: »

The government have set out the criteria , i think youll find the majority (if not all) genuine claimants would agree with that statement. the problem is identifying who is genuine & who is not and the current reforms are just not doing that. the shirkers know exactly what they have to say in order to retain their benefits & will lie through their teeth ,thats why the PIP system will filter out all the shirkers ,this is what the reform will be

Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. For example: identifies individuals who can move up to 50 metres unaided but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. For example: identifies individuals who can use an aid or appliance to move up to 50 metres but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.Cannot either –i. move around at all; or ii. transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.

This reform is well overdue, if you meet the criteria you will have the high rate of pip and be entitled to the car, there will be no grounds for appeal because if you dont fall into the above catogory ,thats final, end of ,this will filter out the shirkers:T

You are only counting one part of the mobility award - there is another category for this and points can be added together, it isn't all about a wheelchair like people keep thinking. You don't even need to be using a wheelchair to be entitled! I have posted this before. The mobility component will consist of part 10 AND part 11.

You can add points from part 10 to points from part 11 but you cannot add points together from each descriptor in 10 or 11. For example you cannot add 10 c and 10 b together, but you can add, 10 a and 11 b together.

So someone who gets 10 points on section 11, will get full mobility if they also get 4 points on section 10. The highest points will be awarded in each category, for example, if you get points on 10 b and also 10 d then only points from 10 d will be counted as they are higher than points for 10 b.

10. Planning and following a journey.
a. Can plan and follow a journey unaided. 0 points
b. Needs prompting for all journeys to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 4 points
c. Needs either –
(i) supervision, prompting or a support dog to follow a journey to an unfamiliar destination; or
(ii) a journey to an unfamiliar destination to have been entirely planned by another person. 8 points
d. Cannot follow any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 10 points
e. Needs either –
(i) supervision, prompting or a support dog to follow a journey to a familiar destination; or
(ii) a journey to a familiar destination to have been planned entirely by another person. 15 points

11. Moving around.
a. Can move at least 200 metres either –
(i) unaided; or
(ii) using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device.! 0 points
b. Can move at least 50 metres but not more than 200 metres either –
(i) unaided; or
(ii) using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device.! 4 points
c. Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. 8 points
d. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. 10 points
e. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the claimant. 12 points
f. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device. 15 points
g. Cannot either –
(i) move around at all; or
(ii) transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.! 15 points

@ Muppette, fluctuating conditions will be given more consideration than currently.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Variable and fluctuating conditions
Taking a view of ability over a longer period of time helps to iron out fluctuations and presents a more coherent picture of disabling effects. Therefore the descriptor choice should be based on consideration of a 12 month period.

Scoring descriptors will apply to individuals where their impairment(s) affects their ability to complete an activity on more than 50 per cent of days in the 12 month period. The following rules apply:

If one descriptor in an activity applies on more than 50 per cent of the days in the period – i.e. the activity cannot be completed in the way described on more than 50 per cent of days – then that descriptor should be chosen.

If more than one descriptor in an activity applies on more than 50 per cent of the days in the period, then the descriptor chosen should be the one which applies for the greatest proportion of the time.

Where one single descriptor in an activity is not satisfied on more than 50 per cent of days, but a number of different descriptors in that activity together are satisfied on more than 50 per cent of days – for example, descriptor ‘B’ is satisfied on 40 per cent of days and descriptor ‘C’ on 30 per cent of days – the descriptor satisfied for the highest proportion of the time should be selected.

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system