MSE News: Prime Minister David Cameron plans welfare crackdown

mazza111

I've already said it on a thread with rather poor spelling in the title but I'll repeat it here for those of you who missed it.

My 21 year old daughter, moved out due to us not getting on(which looking back was probably due to her medical condition), she moved into shared accommodation. It was going to get to the stage or her or me getting physical. She moved back home and it was clear it wasn't working out. She went out applied to the council, and got a flat that no one else wanted. All this time she was in work.

Due to a hereditary condition, she's now left that she can't work. I have downsized. I couldn't take her back. Not that she could manage my stairs anyway. Would it be right that she would lose her flat, that no one wanted, that she decorated and paid for because DC changes the goal posts?

I know there may be exceptions to this rule. And my DD will probably be one of them, I can't help feeling for the kids who don't have anyone though.

As previously stated too, under 25s are not eligible for tax credits. Pay the same tax as everyone else. They even get less benefits, although I fail to see the difference between a 24 year old in their own home and a 25 year old in their own home.

The-Gaffer

weres the money gonna come from if we dont agree with the plans? were not having less kids in the UK are we? people are living longer, were still a top immigrant destination its not there fault, but its the reality more and more people are havin kids moving here and contributing to unemployment, our public sector last i checked is still completely imbalnced in reference to the private sector which is where the only real money comes from, we cant afford to keep on the way were going can we? unless we all wanna pay even more in taxation somethings gotta give, were the next greece at this rate were just ignorrant about it, no one realises how fincially screwed the country really is or they do but choose not to think on it, either way its gotta stop and camerons making a serious move towards tacking our CRIPPLING debt what we owing nowadays anyway isnt it TRILLIONS? we cant as a country continue this way THATS THE REALITY

:money:

samjef11_2

The-Gaffer wrote: »

weres the money gonna come from if we dont agree with the plans? were not having less kids in the UK are we? people are living longer, were still a top immigrant destination its not there fault, but its the reality more and more people are havin kids moving here and contributing to unemployment, our public sector last i checked is still completely imbalnced in reference to the private sector which is where the only real money comes from, we cant afford to keep on the way were going can we? unless we all wanna pay even more in taxation somethings gotta give, were the next greece at this rate were just ignorrant about it, no one realises how fincially screwed the country really is or they do but choose not to think on it, either way its gotta stop and camerons making a serious move towards tacking our CRIPPLING debt what we owing nowadays anyway isnt it TRILLIONS? we cant as a country continue this way THATS THE REALITY

:money:

But this is not the way to do it and it won't happen ifdavid cameron does not win the election.

Mankysteve

Its all well good but untill there are more jobs for people that pay working wages it a sticking plasters. Increase jobs with working wages. People will come off benefits, pay more taxes and buy more goods, everyone's a winner.

samjef11_2

business_man wrote: »

If you can't keep your own daughter, your very own blood, you expect random tax payers to pay for her accommodation?

I don't see any logic in this?

Maybe you could have her then.

samjef11_2

business_man wrote: »

What you are promoting is socialism, which I am afraid has no place in today's society.

And if lets imagine for a minute we tax 50% for people in higher income bracket, it would't take long before we start loosing all high earners and all businesses moving away from the UK.

Simple rule if you want businesses which brings high earners along with, you need to keep low taxes for the rich or else loose them.

What about tax avoidance?

samjef11_2

business_man wrote: »

Bin-it.:beer:

would not mind a beer though lol right back on topic

johnkat

Camerons not a very nice man, piling on the grief to those least able to deal with it.

rozmister

I've worked part time around my studies since I was 13 and I'm now 23; I've got a degree and am definitely not work shy but I think I'm going to have to claim HB & JSA soon because my savings are getting ever depleted and despite my applications left, right and centre no jobs are on the horizon.

I've paid tax when I've earnt over the threshold and NI the whole time I've worked; I don't want those benefits as a long term solution but as a short term safety net because I'm struggling. Why should I be banned from them because of my age??? My NI and tax is good enough for the treasury so why shouldn't I be allowed temporary support because I'm too young?

I think ALL benefits that are related to seeking work should be time restricted regardless of age; if you don't take SOMETHING in two years you lose your benefits or at least part of them. After a year of the taxpayer paying you have to stop being fussy and take anything or you get cut off. If you take young people's tax and NI they should get the same as everyone else. I also think people who have never paid into the system (never worked to pay NI or tax) shouldn't qualify for benefits.

Benefits were designed to be a safety net if you fell on hard times not a lifestyle choice; making them a lifestyle choice for over 25's only won't change the fact a lot of people have the wrong attitude to benefits it's only further disenchant an already pretty depressed generation.

samjef11_2

rozmister wrote: »

I've worked part time around my studies since I was 13 and I'm now 23; I've got a degree and am definitely not work shy but I think I'm going to have to claim HB & JSA soon because my savings are getting ever depleted and despite my applications left, right and centre no jobs are on the horizon.

I've paid tax when I've earnt over the threshold and NI the whole time I've worked; I don't want those benefits as a long term solution but as a short term safety net because I'm struggling. Why should I be banned from them because of my age??? My NI and tax is good enough for the treasury so why shouldn't I be allowed temporary support because I'm too young?

I think ALL benefits that are related to seeking work should be time restricted regardless of age; if you don't take SOMETHING in two years you lose your benefits or at least part of them. After a year of the taxpayer paying you have to stop being fussy and take anything or you get cut off. If you take young people's tax and NI they should get the same as everyone else. I also think people who have never paid into the system (never worked to pay NI or tax) shouldn't qualify for benefits.

Benefits were designed to be a safety net if you fell on hard times not a lifestyle choice; making them a lifestyle choice for over 25's only won't change the fact a lot of people have the wrong attitude to benefits it's only further disenchant an already pretty depressed generation.

Benefits are supposed to be there for the people who can't work or loose there job and need benefits for the time it takes them until they get a job and starting geting income coming in.