MSE News: Prime Minister David Cameron plans welfare crackdown

rozmister

samjef11 wrote: »

Benefits are supposed to be there for the people who can't work or loose there job and need benefits for the time it takes them until they get a job and starting geting income coming in.

But according to DC that only applies if you're over 25. If you're under 25 and lose your job you can live in a cardboard box for all he cares.

samjef11_2

rozmister wrote: »

But according to DC that only applies if you're over 25. If you're under 25 and lose your job you can live in a cardboard box for all he cares.

Well he is a tory and been bought up from rich parents according to wikipeida but even the source could be doubtful regarding under 25s lossing houseing benefit i think it's a lack of judgment.

The-Gaffer

Whats the system in the USA isnt it 2 years of benefits and your on your own? whats been the result of that for them? has there country imploded? or are they all paying less tax than us? im amazed our dole systems went on as long as it has, this is why weve been a top immigration destination for years its kinda sad and kinda funny depending on your viewpoint lol, we use to be the brittish empire a large EMPIRE, a wealthy country and a powerful country, through the years weve let it all go tits up we need to make massive changes to our society or we just say fuk it and go bankrupt, we will go bankrupt at this rate, maybe not us but somethin your kids can look forward to thats for sure lol, were far to deep in the brown stuff to get outta this one without a massive overhaul to the way we live, last years benefit bill is higher than all the money the government raised in taxation last year, this is why we keep goin further towards banruptcy, the public sector is far to large, we need mass privitasation, and radical changes to 'what were use to' these changes are a great idea, as our current austerity measures aint really helpin now are they? we cant continue the way we have, its just the way it is.......

rozmister

samjef11 wrote: »

Well he is a tory and been bought up from rich parents according to wikipeida but even the source could be doubtful regarding under 25s lossing houseing benefit i think it's a lack of judgment.

I think you're right I doubt he had to worry about how he was going to pay rent when he was under 25 (or ever for that matter). Though if he can't understand the different types of lives and upbringings people have maybe he shouldn't be PM.

samjef11_2

This is from the guardian yesterday.

David Cameron has put worklessness to a record high and he's inviting us to believe that it's the fault of everyone except him.
It's now very clear that a welfare revolution was all talk. Out of work benefits are going through the roof. Each week we hear of another new initiative, another crackdown, another test.
Meanwhile in the real world, the cost out of work benefit is up nearly £5 billion, housing benefit over £4 billion, the work programme is failing and the multi-billion pound universal credit scheme is running late and over budget.
Welfare spending is going up under this government because too many people are out of work, but at the last budget the chancellor's priority was not help to get people into work but a tax cut for millionaires.

Byrne's claim that out-of-work benefits are going "through the roof" is based on the fact that estimated spending on jobseeker's allowance and housing benefit from 2011 to 2015 is now £9bn higher than it was in the autumn of 2010.
His claim that the work programme is failing is based on reports like this one.
And his claim that universal credit is late and over budget is based on a parliamentary written answer suggesting it is £100m over budget and on the revelation that all new claims for out-of-work benefit will be paid through universal credit from mid 2014, not from October 2013 as originally planned.

enabledebra

business_man wrote: »

Yes, it's his money and he does with it as he pleases. He isn't coming and asking the tax payer to feed his family.

My money = my terms = my rule.

My money + the spirit of the law = income tax + a society that I benefit fully from.

Anubis_2

The-Gaffer wrote: »

Whats the system in the USA isnt it 2 years of benefits and your on your own? whats been the result of that for them? has there country imploded? or are they all paying less tax than us? im amazed our dole systems went on as long as it has, this is why weve been a top immigration destination for years its kinda sad and kinda funny depending on your viewpoint lol, we use to be the brittish empire a large EMPIRE, a wealthy country and a powerful country, through the years weve let it all go tits up we need to make massive changes to our society or we just say fuk it and go bankrupt, we will go bankrupt at this rate, maybe not us but somethin your kids can look forward to thats for sure lol, were far to deep in the brown stuff to get outta this one without a massive overhaul to the way we live, last years benefit bill is higher than all the money the government raised in taxation last year, this is why we keep goin further towards banruptcy, the public sector is far to large, we need mass privitasation, and radical changes to 'what were use to' these changes are a great idea, as our current austerity measures aint really helpin now are they? we cant continue the way we have, its just the way it is.......

Got a link for that? I would be interested in looking thanks.

enabledebra

Warnin of rant, look away now:
How have we got to the situation that started with one member of a couple being able to meet the needs of their partner and their children without benefits through one average paid job?To a position where that is impossible? Inflation - especially housing costs- plus low wages. Whose fault is that? The people we elect to improve and keep our living standards up. Instead they tell our employers they can pay us a pittance and the people who earn a bit more than a pittance can use those extra wages to subsidise the minimum wage of those that earn less through benefits and tax credits.THEN they don't make enough jobs to go around- there's loads of work to do and the people working are worked into the ground- but somehow this doesn't translate into extra jobs. The people who profit from our work are RICHER than they have ever been but we are told we need to give more because the country has no money- the goverment(s) have let the rich steal all of their/our money! So the answer is to claw back the low wage/no jobs subsidy that they call 'benefits' because they don't know how to get our money back from the rich. Ifv we try the rich might abandon us and then what would we do? Off to put head in oven...

oldvicar

missbunbury wrote: »

Yeah, I can forsee problems with this. What about, for example, a married couple both aged 24 with a two year old who have both worked full time for six years and then both lose their jobs? Are we really saying they shouldn't get help with housing? Or in my own case, I could not have lived with my parents until I was twenty five, because after I was eighteen neither of them was in this country (mum retired to Greece, dad never was around, he's hiding in Guernsey to avoid paying child support!) So what would I have done? As it happened I was lucky enough to be in work that whole time but not everyone is that fortunate.

Amazingly, young British adults who are not in work and able to support themselves are entitled to travel to other EU countries such as Greece. They could continue to live with parents (which is not unusal for young Greeks), see what the welfare system over there offers them to live independently, or learn to support themselves.

Mike_J

Come on....this is Cameron. He will spout on about what the vast majority of the country wants to hear and then when he hears somebody say different, he will change his mind.